Emails I Have Loved
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:52:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Escape from Orthodoxy
To: Acharya S
As a person who has had extensive experiences in the Orthodox Jewish movement that turned out negative, I decided to speak up loud and clear so that all could hear me.
I would not be saying these things if they weren't true and if I didn't think that other people would benefit especially those who have friends and relatives involved with these Orthodox Jewish movements.
As the outreach done in these movements is now being organized and coordinated between the different movements ... those of us who are trying to stay away from and want others to stay away from these institutions need to band together, too.
I'm in my 40's and wasted much of my life, time, and energy in pursuit of the false values these religions teach. For example, in many stories it's told how various rebbeyim [rabbis] were poor, but every time I see a particular rabbi he tries to get on my case about not being wealthy.
... As far as I can tell all the world's major religions are myth-based and, as such, I consider them cults. I get involved when they become dangerous.
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:12:27 -0400
To: Acharya S
Subject: Endnotes to "Origins of Christianity..."
I found your wonderful paper, "The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ," at a web site called SEEKERS OF THE TRUTH Succinct, beautifully written, and apparently very well researched, your article provides a cogent defense --for atheists as well as for believers-- against unwarranted Christian claims. As for myself, I interpret the repetitions of the Great Myth in a light similar to Blavatsky's, Isis Unveiled....
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:20:10 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
To: Acharya S
...I am 18 years old and a devout Christian. I have just visited your site. I'm not going to tell you my beliefs toward what you are saying. All I'm going to tell is how sorry I am that you have to come to this realization. Some how you have lost the faith. It is very sad to me that a person in your position can shut out the Lord in the way that you have done. You may believe that Jesus Christ is a made up character whose life parallels the ancient myths of the Egyptians, but if you don't believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior what do you have to look forward to in life.
People live there life to the fullest because you never know when your time is going to be up. Unfortunately for the non-believers when you die, thats it for you, but for those that believe they will have life eternal, that makes me want to live my life for the Lord each and everyday. I'm not trying to push my beliefs on to you, I'm sure that you get that a lot. I just feel that when judgement day comes for you, or me, or anyone for that matter, to know about Jesus, and to have never accepted him will be the worst hell that a person can experience. Please realize that you are precious in God's sight, that he loves you unconditionally, and he asks the same of you.
If a person of 18 years of age can realize this than hopefully an older, more experienced person can realize this. I can see that you know a lot about the Bible, or maybe its what you have heard, I don't know but there is a piece of scripture that I would like for you to read, its John 3:18. I'm sure that you have recieved many of these e-mails, I just pray that you take my words seriously. I will be praying for you every single day, that you find the joy that is Jesus Christ.
Sorry, but I don't believe anything. Facts are facts, and my 30 years of research have revealed the facts.
You are but a child, although you should be mature enough at 18 to understand fable and fiction. The gospel story is a fairytale for children and the less intelligent. It was deliberately contrived to fool, and many innocents have been fooled.
Be grateful that you have come across my site - and especially my book, which I heartily recommend - before you wasted your life in a delusion. If you read my " ," you will find many from older people who have realized as much, through study and thought, which are discouraged within Christianity because they will reveal the truth.
The problem is one of a lack of education. I am educated, you, being so young and programmed by an ideology that discourages cultural study, are not as educated. When you become more educated, and you certainly should, you will have a better understanding of what I am conveying.
Actually, dearheart, I'm sure that your life is much less happy and free than mine, and that you know and have experienced much less than I, so it is I who should pray for you. Pray that you let go of this repressive and smarmy rubbish and start living life to its fullest.
I'm also sure that millions of freethinkers experienced many of the thoughts you convey - when they were under 10 or so. Obviously, the wiser, more mature person is NOT going to revert back to such childishness. But, the arrogant believer thinks he or she is wiser and more intelligent than those who, through profound thought and logic, have eclipsed such puerile platitudes as, "Please realize that you are precious in God's sight, that he loves you unconditionally, and he asks the same of you." How do YOU know anything about "God?" This is just nonsense you heard from someone else, an older silly person. And who are YOU to be speaking for "God," such that you can tell me that "he loves me?" John 3:18 is idiotic: "He who believes in him, is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." So, if I write a book and say, "She who believes in her, is not condemned; she who does not believe is condemned already, because she has not believed in the name of the only Daughter of Goddess," you will blindly believe it and then go about proselytizing? Or do you believe this junk merely because other people have believed it and have killed off those who do not, thus demonstrating that might is right? Because it's popular?
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:09:37 EDT
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: Acharya S
Again I am the one that is sorry. You can berate my youth all that you want, but there is nothing that you can say to make me believe that Jesus was not a real person. I am so very sorry that you feel it is necessary to cast judgement on my education when you don't even know me. I have not been "programmed" by a culture, and I take personal offense to that statement. I have a mind of my own and believe what a want to believe, and quit frankly nothing can you have said in your site, or in your e-mail for that matter, has made me change my mind about Jesus being a real person. If anything these two factors has made my faith stronger than ever. Do you even believe in God? You say that you believe in facts right? Well the only fact you should need, if you believe in God, is that God loves more than anything in the world, and he sacrificed his own sons life so that you may live. I appreciate you responding to my e-mail. I hope you come to know the truth soon.
Sigh. I hate to tell you this, young one, but your words sound like the babble of a foolish child who has not experienced life very much at all and has certainly not done any investigation into the subject you passionately defend. A loving feeling in the heart is evidence of nothing but that you have the ability to love. Really, you've got to get over this conceited mental illness called Christianity. It's destroying your mind.
Do I even believe in God? If you have actually read my site, which you claim to have done, you would know the answer to that question. In the first place, there have been thousands of gods made up by the human mind, so which are you talking about? I certainly do not believe in the monstrous biblical god, Old or New Testament. Such a god(s) is a pale creation compared to those of other cultures, and THAT is precisely what I mean about your cultural programming. You know NOTHING about the world and its cultures. (And you pretend to be able to lecture me!) You have no ability to understand that the concept of "God" has varied from place to place and era to era, and that the only reason one concept is dominant over another is through human physical force, not the supernatural intervention of some god person. And no, I will state unequivocally that there is no god as such separate and apart from creation. The sooner the human species understands that, the better off we will all be.
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:28:25 EDT
Subject: Deja somethingorother
To: Acharya S
Been reading all your 'Emails I loved' and came across a response you gave to a young lady that was almost verbatim the same as I gave my mother once when she quite seriously asked me where I thought we go when we die. Interestingly, at the time I was very much into eastern thought. Hmm. "... by our individual consciousness we determine where we 'go' when we die. For Christians, there is a Christian 'heaven' of their own designs, which would be my hell! ... For Buddhists, there is Nirvana. For atheists, there is nihilation. Hindus, of course, reincarnate, and Muslims get a paradise of milk and honey, filled with virgin girls and boys with earrings."
That we never cease to seek understanding, knowledge, and wisdom is the thing that continues to blow me away. I am so thankful for the beings that have come into the field of my awareness such as yourself. Ah, the mystery of it all!
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:21:15 -0500
Subject: Marxist view of Christianity
To: Acharya S
I love your book, The Christ Conspiracy. I had previously read Pagan Christs, Foundations of Christianity (Karl Kautsky, Marxist) and an essay by Frederick Engels on Early Christianity. I wonder if you had considered Kautsky's point of view that it was the communal form of the Christian congregation that made it so popular with the lumpenproletariat. Maybe the sheer numbers of these people made it likely that Christianity would be the religion chosen to be the official religion of Rome. Engels seemed to think that Constantine had his famous vision because most of his soldiers had already taken to wearing the cross (if you can't fight them, join them!).
Also, Engels seemed to think that the book of Revelation was the earliest Christian book and was written in the time of Nero (I found his essay on the web). He took the references to the 6th of seven kings (since the assumed birth of Jesus) and the fact that there was a legend that Nero had not really died and was coming back with a huge army (the "Anti-Christ") to indicate that Nero was the one intended. The "666" he thought was a numerological code which was the sum of the letters (without internal vowels) of his whole name and title, something like "Neron Kaisar." The fact that one of the Christian fathers sited the number as being 616 indicated that this was the difference in spelling in another language (I forget which) in which the "N" was dropped from "Neron" thereby reducing the value by 50.
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 03:10:05 +0200
To: Acharya S
I love you, you are a witch!
Or with Groucho Marx: If I held you any closer I would be on the other side of you.
No, seriously: In highest admiration, I say you are something like The Ultimate Witch. For thousands of years, you would have been burned at the stake and/or worse. Now finally, you had a chance to finish the job, and you did so splendidly....
I ran into your website last night around 22:00 h and didn't get out until 2 in the morning, and have been gazing at your photograph off-and-on during the day, uncannily certain that you are extremely familiar. The eye of the hawk, the spit of the snake, a fabulous portion of satirical zest, invincible pride, and yet, a feminine beauty and tenderness of the spirit which evokes powerful memories of much more delicious eons before the dawn of history.
What Daniel Pouzzner did for politics (www.mega.nu:8080), you have certainly done for the field of religion. I am stunned at your achievements in this sector, and marvel at your feat of having walked through that overcharged minefield unscathed. Stand tall and proud and continue on your relentless quest! For many people, this tobacco will be far too strong, but it's very good you put it on the mantelpiece. Those who can't stomach this will either throw up the protective shield of ranting and raving at you, or they'll get the hell out of there, or they won't understand a word of what you say anyhow, so don't worry about that. They'll find it when they are ready.
I am a German citizen residing at ********* ... Increasingly over the past few years, I have been engaged in collecting material for a book ... I am trying to put together the mental threads that led up to the Nazi incident as well as the most recent derailings of decency which are noticeable in German/European politics. One of the lines of heritage in German thought is, of course, the Judeo-Christian deadwood we've been carrying along ever since the days of the "Holy" Roman Empire of German Nation, and even earlier than that, and very much into present time....
You can see how your material is very worthwhile in such a context. Finally, there you are, someone who knows what she is talking about. Especially the current Armageddon myth, as fostered and nurtured by the fundamentalist section of Christianity, might have very fatal consequences to the planetary civilization if not debunked in time. This viewpoint has gained a lot of ground in Anglo-American thought and tends to unstabilize the relations between the US and the European Union, not even to mention the possible view taken on Russia. We had Whitney Houston "happily" blaring about "Judgment Day" and "World War III" last year in "My Love is Your Love", and then there was the awful, trashy video of Cliff Richard irresponsibly presenting the Lord's Prayer against the background of the atom bomb. Bad signs, very bad signs indeed, only counterbalanced by the heightened awareness which you and other highly spiritual, but totally unabashed individuals are putting up against it. We need to speak up.
Thank you, lovebubble, for the gracious words and the eloquent message. Makes it all worthwhile.
To: Acharya S
Subject: Occam's Razor
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:08:52 -0400
I am in the process of acquiring The Christ Conspiracy, though from what I've read on your website it seems as it will be confirming what I've always suspected. The only reservation I have regarding the whole matter of Jesus' historicity is that denying it seems to go against the principle of Occam's Razor. It would appear to me that the simplest, therefore preferable, hypothesis is that there did at one time live a person corresponding roughly to the historical Jesus, who was a moral philosopher of sorts and who attracted followers, and who eventually got nailed up for his troubles. Anything beyond that simple outline would be highly suspect to me. After all, although I don't necessarily believe the body of legends about Imhotep, I'd tend to believe that there actually was once such a person, and that he was the architect of Zoser's step pyramid.
By the way, to give you some background on the way I think, I'm a sort of general-purpose deist and card-carrying UU. I'd be very interested in hearing your thoughts on this matter. Keep up the good work, the world needs a few more like you.
Thanks. Actually, according to the logic of Occam's Razor, by the very fact that the majority of the Christ myth existed in other cultures long before the Christian era, and the fact that this unmythologized man you attempt to find in the gospel story is recorded nowhere in history, the only conclusion that can be made is that Jesus Christ is a mythical compilation of the earlier stories, which revolved around the sun. That conclusion is precisely what I demonstrate, quite logically and thoroughly, in my book. By the way, for you UU'ers (Unitarian Universalists) there is a well-written essay called "Christ Myth" on a UU site.
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 18:42:01 -0500
To: Acharya S
Subject: Re: Fallacy books
... in Ian Wilson's book; "Jesus: The Evidence" ... pg.45, he makes reference to mention of the Christian' Jesus [Yeshu' in the "Baraitha" and "Tosefta" supplements to the Jewish "Mishnah". One of these alledgedly to the effect that, "It has been taught: On the eve of Passover they hanged Yeshu." I contacted a Rabbi, via internet, to try to determine whether there are indeed such notations in Jewish writtings, but was merely answered to the effect that Jews do not believe that the messiah has come. I pay no attention to Catholics seeing images of Mary in plate glass windows but it would certainly stir my interest if a sane rabbi were to have the experience. Therefore it would be of interest for me to learn whether Jews wrote about Jesus in religious Jewish writings.
Do you have any knowledge of the above?
Wilson's book is totally ridiculous. His "evidence" consists of statements such as: "Here's a boat from the Galilee dating to the first century. Jesus and his disciples would have ridden in a boat like this. [Hence, Jesus existed." The Talmud mentions "Jesus" or "Balaam" or any other codewords several times. It relates the TRADITION that was being taught about Jesus at the time it was written, into the first several centuries of the Common Era. It is not a historical reference to a historical Jesus. The majority of scholars, including blind-believing Christians, do not consider the Talmud of any use whatsoever. Naturally, I discuss these things in my book.
None of this matters, however. They can keep coming up with ludicrous and spurious evidence until the cows come home and the fact will remain that Jesus Christ is an amalgamation of mythical concepts that existed long before the Christian era.
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 08:04:19 +0530
To: Acharya S
Subject: A humble suggestion
I really love to buy your book but don't have a credit card. Why don't you market it in India. It is probably a huge market (so many Hindu Fundamentalists out here). Any way sooner or later I hope to buy your book and if possible work with you (a dream) on environment conservation and historical accuracy if you permit.
Lots of Love
Thanks. It's not so easy just to market a book. The Christ Conspiracy can be bought around the globe through thru my publisher.
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:24:53 -0400 (EDT)
To: Acharya S
Subject: Possible addition for your religion list
Hi Acharya, great site!
Went through your list of religious books & find I have many of them... one you don't have yet may be useful.
It's called THE TEMPLAR REVELATION by Lynn Picknett & Clive Prince. Really great overview of the heretical tradition & chock full of all the speculations about JC & company. I especially enjoyed Picknett & Princes' terrific dissertation about the possibility that Jesus had John the Baptist knocked off (they were rivals, according to this theory). It's speculative, heretical, and great fun to read.
I truly enjoyed THE CHRIST CONSPIRACY ... Good stuff! Best of wishes in your future endeavors.
Thank you. Although I'm sure there's some great info in the Picknett & Prince book, I have a very hard time stomaching books that historicize Jesus and John the Baptist, who are two patently mythical characters.
To: "Acharya S"
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 06:53:52 -0500
Well, just want to keep you posted on the progress ... I just sent "Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus" to at least 30 people by email, in response to a pukey Christian email that I got, seems my address was assumed from a circle of forwards in the local family of .... Well, **** is totally flipping out over it, I mean in a GOOD way, she said "this is exactly what I needed to read...that it is entirely too coincidental that man's religious major players delivered similar messages and had similar stories....that it underscores what she has suspected but just didn't have the material to back it up" . Of course she has only touched the tip but I have a spare book to loan her. Everyone who borrows it ends up buying their own AND THE BEST PART is they always tell others!!!
Makes me feel are warm and fuzzy inside. Only one other responded to his perception that I am armed for battle, even tho my message was carefully worded to accentuate my intent is to share WHAT I HAVE LEARNED. And to highlight the unity underlying all religions (which of course also highlights to atrocities). Whatever.
So, looks like I am causing waves....
Your book has made such an impression on these few that it is so WORTH IT ...
I love you, girl, just wanted you to know that I am still crusading!!!
To: Acharya S
Subject: sects, drugs and rotten scrolls
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:49:27 -0700
Fortean Times; FT131 March 2000, Qumran Coverup, pages 40-44:
"Two thousand years ago, the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls lived at Qumran in what is now Israel. These writers may have counted Jesus amongst their membership and been involved in a lucrative drugs trade. Historian Gloria Moss uncovers evidence that orthodox scholars would prefer remained buried." ...
"Recently, the Ecole Biblique appointed a Belgian archaeologist - Pauline Donceel-Voute - to review his (Father Roland de Vaux) inventory. She found three things:
"1. De Vaux had found many 'perfume bottle' at Qumran, but failed to declare them in his inventory. Why? Perfumes and medicines were made from spices and minerals and these bottles could have been used for the storage of expensive liquid medicines. [KK: The author is claiming there is strong of frankincense, myrrh and balsam being grown in the area; that the climate was different at the time of Qumran occupation.
"2. De Vaux also found many bottle stoppers, apparently used for aerating and testing a substance at regular intervals. Again, Donceel-Voute found that these had been omitted from his inventory.
"3. Many of the coins De Vaux listed have since disappeared. Coins allow a site to be dated, and one hotly disputed issue is whether the site was occupied at the time of Jesus. The disappearance of many coins makes it easier to argue against the dating of the site to this time.
"After Donceel-Voute had produced her report, the Ecole Biblique denied they had hired her to review De Vaux's inventory and her work on it ceased! Those who have visited Qumran will also have noticed that the site is now guarded by am imposing tower with walls some four to five feet thick. The rooms inside communicate with each other but not externally, giving the impression of a closely guarded storehouse. Very suitable for an ancient storehouse for valuable drugs."
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"The article is contesting the party line that Qumran was a purely religious community with no contact to the outside world. Not true, claims Moss. People came to Qumran to cured of psychological problems as well as physical aliments. The sect of Qumran apparently swore their members to secrecy because of the drugs being produced provided a very lucrative income for those in the know. A really fascinating new perspective using the latest artifacts from recent digs at Qumran."
Interesting stuff. Rather validates the fact that the Zadokites of Qumran were members of the Therapeutae brotherhood, "Therapeutae," as in doctors, i.e., spiritual healers who, as also magi, used various potions and herbs in their healing. It is clear that the Therapeutae, including their Palestinian contingency, the Qumranian Zadokites, created Christianity and its mythical founder, Jesus Christ.
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 19:35:09 +0530
To: Acharya S
Subject: You have a lot to learn (and I need to learn from you too)
I now rank yours as my favourite site but I still think you have a lot to learn. I am not sure whether your reasons are correct for some things you say. I went through your site and saw a few astonishing things. You stated that Christianity had not spread rapidly because Indians knew the Krishna-Christ connection . I am not sure. Most people know nothing at all.
One billion people believe in Krishna. I am not so sure. Well your logic is Krishna: Hinduism what Christ : Christianity Perhaps not. Hinduism is not so simple. Well, there is a book I can recommend for you to read which proves that Mahabharata is history. It is "Astronomical Dating of the Mahabharata War" by professor Veda Vyas.
He has used Astronomy to prove that it is a history and not a myth.... Hare Krishna Movement is a foolish superstitious movement but Hinduism in its entirety is not. Hinduism has many valuable things which it can offer to society and science though it has its evils too.
Well, you have to include India in your agenda to be fully successful in your mission.
I also need your help. I face a dilemma as to whether to support Hindu Fundamentalists or not. I deeply resent Missionary activity in India destroying tribal culture but I also resent Monotonising Hinduism and conversion of Tribals to conventional Hindus. I hope you Flood India with your Knowledge and India has a lot to offer to you too. Please try to read the book also. I am not sure whether you get it over the net.
Dedicated to the cause of Truth, Environmental Protection ad destruction of Fundamentalism