Thanks. In the first place, I am addressing the Hindu priesthood knowing the comparisons between Krishna and Christ. Such is what is stated by early Christian missionaries. I didn't make it up. Without the priesthood's support, the common Indian folk would never adopt Christianity, so it matters not whether or not they know anything. Secondly, I doubt that I said a billion people believe in Krishna, except as a conglomerate figure, over the millennia. It is evident that the earlier Krishna-worship was something akin to Christianity, as it had many of the same rituals and myths. Hinduism is not simple, but it ain't totally incomprehensible either, although much of it is just plain silly. I highly doubt that this book by the professor can prove the fantastic events of the Mahabharata to be "history." Certainly there is some history in it, as there is in every fiction book. But no doubt much of it is astrological or astrotheological, as that science has undoubtedly been held as one of the most sacred on this planet. I certainly agree that Hare Krishna is a "foolish superstitious movement," but is Hinduism, as a religion, much better? Yes, the Indian tradition possesses millennia of intelligent philosophizing, but when a priest gets violently angry at a living, breathing being because he touches a dead sculpture of a god, is this rational and good? Is this behavior not disrespect to a living, breathing god, i.e., the person?
While I can understand your desire to combat these braindead, demented missionaries, I would caution against supporting Hindu fundamentalists. There are some very good Indian rationalist and skeptical societies you can assist in their endeavors.
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:44:22 +0200
bonjour - je fais une recherche sur le nombre 12 et donc sur les 12 signes du zodiaque les 12 travaux d'Hercule les 12 premires lettres de l'alphabet hbraque. J'ai pris connaissance avec beaucoup d'intert de vos travaux. Pouvez vous m'en dire plus? Merci d'avance
Bonjour - Je suppose que vous avez lu mon travail, "Les origines du christianisme et la recherche du Jsus-Christ historique?" Je ne peux pas vous aider beaucoup plus que cela, parce que rien autre n'a t traduit en franais. Naturellement, j'aimerais que mon livre, The Christ Conspiracy, soit traduit en franais. Merci.
To: Acharya S
Subject: Great Website
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:31:42 -0400
Just discovered your website yesterday and wanted to say how much I appreciate it. You have given me a wealth of information by your "links" and will try to visit them all for further information.
Your book The Christ Conspiracy looks very interesting as well as very "informative" and will be purchasing it soon. I just bought copy of Earl Doherty's book The Jesus Puzzle: Did Christianity begin with a mythical Christ? and have begun to read it.
As one who professed Christianity for 18 (long) years, I appreciate websites like yours that help me to see that what I once held to be true was a "lie." I'm totally convinced that the Christian religion is nothing more than bits and pieces of other religions that have been foisted on an ignorant public who say "My mind is made up. I do not want to be confused by the facts."
Acharya, keep up the great work.
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:21:55 +0200
To: Acharya S
"Truth be known" is just great! It has instantly become one of my top favourite links, and I shall recommend it to all my friends. Keep up the great work!
To: Acharya S
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:10:22 -0400
I JUST STARTED READING YOUR BOOK THE CHRIST CONSPIRACY. YOU HAVE PUT INTO WORDS MY FEELINGS ABOUT CHRIST AND RELIGIONS. I REALLY ADMIRE THE GREAT JOB THAT YOU HAVE DONE, WHICH I FEEL TAKES GUTS. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. MY ONLY WISH IS THAT I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO WRITE A BOOK LIKE YOURS, TO DISMISS ALL THAT OLD DOGMA AWAY. I TOO AM A REBEL AND QUESTION MANY THINGS. ESPECIALLY: WHY ARE THERE SO MANY DIFFERENT RELIGIONS IN THIS WORLD TO BEGIN WITH?
TAKE CARE. AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN I HAVE FINISHED YOUR BOOK.... WELL DONE FOR YOU!
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:57:35 +1200
... You write very good stuff. Thanks.
Love and light,
To: "Acharya S"
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:35:52 -0500
... It's nice to meet a kindred spirit.... Your book is a fascinating compilation of materials - that must have been a lot of work. Excellent job. In a large segment of the "Christian" population, doubts are suppressed and information of the type in your book is treated unkindly. It's only by repeating the message of doubt over-and-over-and-over that someday, someway, somehow, we'll be able to free people, especially some future generation, from the endless cycle of brainwashing that most in the western world have had to endure for the past 1,700 years or so.
Until we can break that cycle (of brainwashing from generation to generation), we (humanity) will never be truly free....
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:28:21 EDT
Subject: Atheists for Jesus
To: Acharya S
My god! <--- no pun intended
Your book - given to me for Xmas by a husband who appreciates irony, LOL! - is just about the best I've ever read on the subject....
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:18:43 -0400
To: Acharya S
Just had to send a note of thanks for you being one of the many people who have contributed to my understanding that my intuitions, especially the ones that contradict my conditioning, are the most valid source of happiness and growth.
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:06:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Twisting the Truth for Comic Purposes
To: Acharya S
Well, I'm sure you get a lot of complements for both your mind and your body. I always like to know who is telling me the so called truth, and when I looked at your picture I was stunned to discover a woman with both brains and beauty. Wow!
I'm not really about finding out the REAL truth or the DIVINE truth or the FINAL truth. Whether we emerged from some ancient tide pool or we were left behind in an aliens slurpy, I don't care. I will live and die (at some point) regardless of what the ultimate truth is....
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:51:24 -0500
To: Acharya S
Subject: religious-oriented material
The first four Commandments are religious edicts having nothing to do with law or ethical behavior. Only three (homicide, theft, and perjury) are relevant to current American law, and have existed in cultures long before Moses. If Americans honored the commandment against "coveting," free enterprise would collapse. The Ten Commandments are in fact only a primitive cultic code of taboos written BY Hebrew men FOR Hebrew men.
All "thou shall not kill" meant is that thou shall not kill another Hebrew. The giver of the commandment, Moses, continued to order genocide, murder, a scorched earth policy and "ethnic cleansing" on all of his enemies. And all with this primitive tribal God's blessing.
"Thou shall not kill" was not understood by Moses, or the Israelites, or "God" to be any kind of a moral or ethical prohibition of killing.
"Honor your father and mother," you bet, or else be killed by your Hebrew parents: "For every child who curses his father or mother shall be killed" - and with God's blessing. (Leviticus 20:9) Post that in schools and government buildings as well.
The so called "sexual" commandments had absolutely nothing to do with sexual morality. They were taboos based on the rights of property. Women in this day were owned possessions. Men could sell them or divorce them at will.
"And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then shalt thou bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father a full month; and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will." Deut. 21:11-14
To: "Acharya S"
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000
i just wanna let you know Christ is real and our savior i truly hope you find that out. He loves you and died for your sins. how do i know well when you truly find Christ you know the truth and the truth shall set you free i ran across this web be accident. but i just had to tell you God loves you.
Honey, you're sweet but not the sharpest tool in the shed.
I know your intentions are honest, because you are a naive person. However, the story of Christ is fictional, designed by the less naive to influence folks like you.
Saying that "God loves you" is like saying that "Mickey Mouse loves you." It really has no meaning. It is what YOU are saying, not what "God" is saying. I guess that means YOU love me. That's sweet.
"God" is a cultural artifact. The concept has changed from era to era and place to place throughout thousands of years of human history.
To: "Acharya S"
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:09:00 +0200
... I can't for the life of me remember how I stumbled upon your website, but it was certainly a godsend (chortle). Joining this group has been one of the better decisions I've made in my life.
Sometimes I like ... watch the news on TV, just to remind myself what sheeple we really are. The TV tells people how to think, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind. For most so-called 'first world' people, what the TV shows them IS reality. Your newsgroup is my window on what's really happening. I get withdrawal symptoms when I miss a day's news. I feel such an affinity for the prevailing mindset (what Sheldrake likes to call 'morphic resonance', I suppose) that comes across in the postings.
As for you, I am amazed you manage to find the time to do as much as you clearly do - you must be driven. Thanks for putting it all together, it was an inspired move.
I've ordered your book, two copies in fact- one for the talk-show host I'm targeting. I'm pretty sure she'll be interested, because she's an avid reader and on-air book reviewer (with live telephonic interviews) as well as a shit-stirrer. I already know she's totally non-Christy, from the way she deals with callers who start sprouting 'God's word', you know the type.
... Keep up the holey work
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:44:33 -0300 (ADT)
To: Acharya S
Subject: Your Book
I've been recommending your book to friends, and I was wondering if you've gotten a lot of hate mail for writing it?
As someone who grew up in a christian home I know how christians can act towards those who disagree with christ's divinity. BTW, I'm no longer a christian... left 10 years ago.
Oh, I get hate mail, all right. "When their eloquence escapes you, their logic ties you up and rapes you." Of course, hate mail is completely ineffective in proving facts. Congrats on escaping the cult.
To: Acharya S
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:10:36 -0400
Your book is awesomely right on in many ways...have you seen 'The Templar Revelation' by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince? If so, what do you think?... if not, you may find it interesting.
I could not find the link to your recent Osho article...got any suggestions? It appears that you are in Ohio...do you have any lectures scheduled this way, NY or New England....
I appreciate your work!
To: Acharya S
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:28:31 PDT
I have been invited by my former Pastor (Doctor/Professor) to visit **** University for a few weeks this May, in order that I might argue with him and some of the school's theologians (or paid graduate students--as they think this will be a short discussion) in defense of the VERACITY of your paper, "The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus."
I am requesting ANY material (or leads) that might prepare me better for this coming conversation/confrontation in May. I have read your paper and even have some better footnotes on some of your points than you offered. (I'm not bragging, I really do have some closer-to-source footnotes, and I will send them to you if you'd like.) But any information would be appreciated. My former Pastor described your paper, "Origins," as: "Recycled garbage, very cleverly packaged, attractive to the Gen X students. Doesn't contain a single argument I haven't heard before. Nothing new, just arranged in a fashion designed to shake the socks off Christian people. Most of it can actually be shown to be false arguments from the Biblical historical record. Some historical claims about the Bible are not only false, they are packaged lies, simply repeated from sources antagonistic to the authority of the Word. Our faculty chew this stuff up and spit it out, and our students in the Apologetics classes write 30 page well documented papers on this stuff." And people complain about YOUR rhetoric! LOL. I think he may be overstating his case just a bit. :) If you're interested in helping me out in any way, I'd appreciate it--if only because it would lighten the load on me. I don't want to have to reinvent the wheel if I can get some more data from you or at least some good leads.
Thanks ... ( ... I wrote to you earlier with a critique of a Christian apologist's reply to the Mithras legend.)
Thank you! Your pastor friend has no factual rebuttal; thus, he must resort to hyperbole and erroneous statements. It is a pity that so many people refuse to wake up, standing in the way of truth and reality. Of course they must, for they make their living at this delusion. I remember your debunking of the Christian apologist - very well done indeed. Keep up the good work!
Furthermore, pastors are not known for their intelligence or education. Catholic priests are, in the end, far more erudite. And not a few of them have admitted that what I promulgate, that Christ is a fictional character, is true. Most "pastors" come from the south, where brainwashing is rampant, and real, cultured education is scarce. The fact remains that what I put forth in my essay and in The Christ Conspiracy represents much of what has happened in the third dimension on this planet. These bigots are essentially dismissing the history of numerous other cultures by their imbecilic attacks on my work. Did you notice that he had nothing of substance to say? He did not address a single point, just mentioned how others had apologized endlessly?
It is quite embarrassing that someone could claim to "know all these arguments" and yet cling to his ridiculous programming. In fact, it is dishonest, and it is quite frequently because the Christian myth is THEIR OCCUPATION. THEY MAKE THEIR LIVELIHOOD AT IT. As such, they have little credibility. It should be obvious to anyone that they MUST defend their priestcraft; otherwise they wouldn't have such an egotistical and economically rewarding occupation.
What I have presented are FACTS, as opposed to their fictions. If you read my book, you will see that this type of priestly chicanery goes back thousands of years. No one pulled the concept out of the air, but the priesthood soon became the MOST exploitative and cushy job on the planet. Pretend to know and speak for the "one true God" and you will have everyone eating out of your hand.
"Our faculty chews and spits this stuff out." Sounds like the goons of the early Christian priesthood cranking out forgeries. Yeah, that's real impressive.
These jackasses can spew all the blather they wish. The fact will remain that there is barely a single concept in Christianity that cannot be found in the older "Pagan" cultures. Indeed, in many cases Paganism was superior to its dead offshoot Christianity.
It is simply criminal that these characters insist on stealing and then desecrating the culture of the ancients. Can you imagine doing that to someone? Strangling them, and then robbing and spitting on their grave?
Not to mention that many of these individuals are extremely misogynistic, to the point of repressed homosexuality, if not overt homosexuality. Their sexist, culturally bigoted reign is coming to an end, whether or not they like it.
To: Acharya S
Subject: You stirred-up a bees nest (indirectly)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:32:57 -0000
...I am a media critic, political scientist, and a armchair sociologist. I was listening today to a radio program called "Janet Parshall's America" when an upset father called in and related a story about how his son was a "good Christian" until he got mixed up with a "commune" and denounced his faith in Jesus. Your name and book, "Greatest Story ... " was mentioned as well. My curiosity was peaked. I despise the absolutely hideous nature of the "religious right" in the U.S and the way in which they indoctrinate their very own people to a life of blind sheep not asking anything more of their spirituality. So, when that particular show represents a person's work as negative (without ever citing details or having an open debate), I immediately think that I should look into it. I will be buying "Greatest ... " soon.
Mostly I just wanted to tell you (if you didn't already know) that you were mentioned by an extreme right-wing "religious" power structure. I hope you don't get harassed. It's a crazy world out there!
Sorry that I don't remember specifically what was said. However, I do believe that you can get transcripts of her shows. The gist of it was: Father calls in needing spiritual uplifting in his time of need; son has just quit his Christian-college (having full scholarship); son was involved in searching the internet; son came across your name (mentioned as if you were a principle catalyst of his change in mindset); the guest was familiar with your work and condemns it. The guest might have been Ron Rhodes. If it helps, the topic was "new age" and "cults."
.... I know it sounds cynical but, I enjoy listening to the voices of extremists just so I can study how they use rhetoric to manipulate a segment of the population. I strengthen my own rhetoric against them as I analyze theirs. I don't believe in "evil", yet the many forms of psychological warfare (for the hearts and minds of the masses) come pretty close to evil. Seems to me like mental slavery. My desire: free the slaves.
I'm curious. Has that show unleashed any harassment towards you? I know that the "religious" right can mobilize a significant minority of their population.
Thanks for letting me know. I don't know of any specific harassment from the show, but apparently my book started selling pretty well in a Washington suburb, Bowie, MD, which might be fallout from the show.
To: "Acharya S"
Subject: don't bother me with the facts
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:31:40 -0400
I was wondering how the book was selling and if the message was getting out there. I've told a few people about the book and what you say (very basically, of course). Most folks won't accept something that challenges their belief system. Funny, when you tell people that there is hard evidence that Christ doesn't and didn't exist - they don't want to see the evidence or even the argument. This is true from practicing Christians to people that haven't been to church in twenty years. I have some relatives that I am afraid to tell about your ideas for fear of damaging my relationship with them. That is how close minded, superstitious and paranoid religion can make people. I'm sure you know how it is.
Anyway, I've noticed the Pope recently acknowledged some past mistakes by the catholic church and asked for forgiveness, never mind that none of the wronged people are alive to forgive them. But the Baptists in America, now that's a different story. They can't see beyond the circular argument they always give- any ideas that are contrary to the bible and the so-called 'word of God' are satanic or evil. Don't bother them with the facts. Psychologists say that paranoia is almost impossible to treat and cure, that it has to be worked out from within the individual, so I wouldn't expect the stranglehold of Christianity to loosen it's grip here in the states anytime soon. Maybe we can't cure the disease, but perhaps we can stop the spread. Sorry about the negativity.
I'm anxious to hear how the book is being accepted and if it's selling well. Let me know when you get a chance. Thank you and thanks for the important work you've been doing.
To: Acharya S
Subject: Love your site
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:06:54 -0600
Good morning, I just wanted to write a quick note saying how much I like your clarity and eloquence on a subject that I have ranted about for years. To little avail, naturally. Also, I wanted to tell you about a very subversive book about Jesus that I found absolutely riveting; Jesus Lived In India by Holger Kersten. You probably know, but in case you haven't. Cheers
Thanks. I know the arguments put forth in Kersten's book. I address them very briefly in Christ Con, because they are easily explained. There are tombs of this god and that all over the world. There's a purported grave of Jesus in Japan, also easily explained away. Everyone wants to lay claim to the most important gods and godmen. It is an old piece of priestcraft and tourism.
To: Acharya S
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:36:46 -0400
Just a line to say I tripped over your site by accident (looking for Imo on Spinoza) and am just enthralled. I am a fifty-one year old female free thinker, (as opposed to atheist) who raised five children without the crushing burden of formal religious training. What a joy to see all of my life - long independent research upheld and validated in such a beautiful and ultimately respectful way. Way to go, girl!
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:59:38 EDT
Subject: Your website
To: Acharya S
I just wanted to tell you that I absolutely loved your site! It reflects many of my own views, but is worded so much better! Our family recently moved to DC, and the holy-rollers are on my nerves already...lol
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:23:39 -0700 (PDT)
To: Acharya S
I have read The Christ Conspiracy and The Jesus Puzzle and was quite impressed. There is a saying that has become a favorite of mine: don't try to teach a pig to sing-it only wastes your time and annoys the pig! This applies to what you and others like you are trying to do when it comes to pointing out the insanities of religion. Don't get me wrong. What you are doing needs to be done, but those who need the information most will probably not heed it or even know about it.
Since you quoted Robert Ingersoll in your book you know what a power he was in his time. But how many people in America know about him today? I would wager not one in a thousand, which is sad, because we need Ingersoll now more than ever. Perhaps PBS will make the people aware of him like they did with Elizabeth Cady Stanton? We can only hope.
Since you are more knowledgeable about such things, can you please tell me why "God" wants a piece of my dick? (Circumcision). Fortunately, the people seem to be waking up in this country and not having their boys mutilated shortly after birth. As far as I am concerned it should be made illegal! If an individual wants it done when he is an adult, fine. But the parent doesn't own the body of the boy; if (s)he did then infanticide would not be criminal. A new saying should come into vogue: "Any god that wants a piece of my dick is no god of mine!"
May I ask a more personal question? What is your opinion of suicide? From what I gather from your writings you seem think that we "chose" to be here. Am I correct? I'm sorry, but I most certainly did not choose to live. In fact, although my life isn't that horrible when looked at in comparison to most who have been born, I still consider this world a hell and don't believe for a second that anyone would "choose" it. Perhaps you saw the film "What Dreams May Come"? The ending was TOTALLY FALSE to my sensibilities. They had achieved bliss after enormous difficulty and just casually discarded it.
Perhaps my letter is a bit rambling, and I apologize for it. Please keep up the good work and I would be honored if you wrote a reply to this letter.
Thanks. I agree that there is little to be done, except to enlighten the handful here and there. This sort of criticism of religion has been going on for thousands of years, with little impact. The few who do become liberated and more human are, I guess, worth the effort. Re my comment about "choosing," I say that in the effort of encouraging mental liberation. The idea that we are forced to be born against our will would indicate that there is some power outside of ourselves, some god person who really is in charge. I can't abide by that. Hence, I take the road of ultimate autonomy. Obviously, this is a big subject. As far as suicide goes, if you can't handle it here, take off. Unfortunately, however, in most cases your death will cause turmoil to others left behind. I am not able to be that selfish. But, believe me, I have a hard time standing it here on a planet that constantly insults my dignity.