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Which leads me to circumcision. An abominable practice by cavemen. Can you imagine if doctors routinely removed a piece of skin, say, from the baby's ass or back or leg? That would be considered a criminal act. But to hack at the most sensitive part of a boy's body is perfectly okay! That's what I mean about insulting my dignity.

I also did not like the end of "When Dreams May Come True." Really dumb and disheartening.


Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:32:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: SJ
Subject: WOODY ALLEN QUOTE VIA MAX VON SYDOW
To: Acharya S

Hello~

First - I love your site! I read through the quotes (so very cool) and I didn't see this one - you probably know it - if not, here it is. I hope it's accurate - it's been a while since I've heard the actual source material. HANNA AND HER SISTERS (written and directed by Woody Allen 1986):

"...if Jesus came back today, and saw what was done in his name...he'd never stop throwing up!"

I used to have this quote from the film on my answering machine -tagged along with Tammy and Jim Baker giggling madly from an interview! Like I said - I'm not sure how accurate this quote is - I no longer have the tape of film - or the answering machine message machine. However, it is one of my all time favorite moments in an Allen film - pure genius!


From: JR
To: Acharya S
Subject: Hello.
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:20:44 -0400

Whoever you are,

You can believe whatever you want. I have absolutely no problem with your beliefs, but you are seriously misinformed. I may not know a whole lot about Jeffrey Dahmer, but I do know quite a bit about Charles Manson. In regards to your quote: "No doubt Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer, et al. were taught the "Good" Book in Sunday school and were just acting it out. "

For your information, Chalres Manson was a child of the system. He was born to a 16-year old girl who didn't know any better. She once gave him up for a pitcher of beer. He was never preached the Bible. At least not in the sense that you talk about it. His grandparents, who he stayed with for a period of time, were religious fanatics, but he never had to listen to them.

He was put into a reform school for stealing when he was 9, and then again when he was 12. By the time Charles was 32, more than half (32 years) of his life were spent in correctional facilities. When he finally did stay out of jail long enough to create "The Family" he used the Bible as an excuse, but he didn't actually use its information.

Whatever you seem to have against Christianity, you look for things that could possibly apply to something amoral and twist them to fit your ideal circumstances. Now, as I said, I do not know a whole lot about Jeffrey Dahmer, but I am positive that if I researched enough, I would discover that his circumstances regarding the Bible are extremely similar to Manson's. You can not even say Manson used the Bible because he is a heinous madman and if he had actually read the book prior to his crimes I am sure he would have thought differently. I once read a quote. I found it to be very interesting. "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and find out that there isn't, than live my life like there isn't and find out that there is." I hope you take this into consideration as you head for Hell.  Thank you for your time.

The depth to which the nuttiness sinks never ceases to amaze me. You have just completely validated my statement about Manson and Dahmer. And you have also confirmed that you know very little about the Bible, the BAD Book. It is FULL of genocide, slaughter, torture, persecution, cannibalism, etc. And you got that quote from a page that outlines some of this despicable behavior, in my essay "Is Cannibalism a Religious Experience?"  Manson lived with his religious fanatic grandparents, but "he was never preached the Bible," and "he never had to listen to them?!" Give me a break! Are you five years old? And then you state that "he used the Bible as an excuse." So, he obviously knew the Bible. In fact, he evidently was quite aware of the endless God-sanctioned slaughter. So, once you've utterly failed to make your case and have actually proved mine, you then threaten me with Hell. I'm not sure I can get any more disgusted at the dishonesty and dementia produced in Bible-thumpers.

And, by the way, what are you doing studying psychos like Dahmer and Manson? Kinda weird obsession, no?


From: WK
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:22:06 EDT
Subject: African American view on Christ Conspiracy
To: Acharya S

Hello! Great Site! God is borg lol.

First of all....... HI! My name is **** and I have recently read your book, The Christ Conspiracy. To say the least, I feel like chains have been lifted from my shoulders. I feel like I no longer have to feel guilty for not believing in the "good book" as they like to call it. I would like to thank you for this.

I am a Black male who lives in *******, Alabama. Yes, *******, ALABAMA! African Americans have doggedly held onto the bible. We tend to give the church credit for surviving the middle passage and slavery. I try to argue that it was Christianity that brought us over here in the first place, but ignorance is bliss, as they say.

My question to you is this: Is it always in the our best interests to educate people about this? I imagine it can be seriously emotionally crippling to some people. People have lived their entire lives based on this religion so yanking them out of it could be dangerous. Nonsense it may be, the truth could hurt them more than ignorance could I think. So even though I feel like I could enlighten them - should I?

And one more thing....what are your views on the ongoing (yes ongoing cause there is more and more literature out) Black Athena debate? You seem like some one capable of an unbiased opinion. If there is such a thing anyway. ;-)

GREAT BOOK AND THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!

Thanks for the lovely message.

Fortunately, more and more "African Americans" are becoming hip to the conspiracy. I just heard a "conscious rap" song that at one point refers to Jesus as God's "sun-god son."

As concerns your question regarding the effect of Christ Con on people's sensibilities, you are an example of what CAN happen: "I feel like chains have been lifted from my shoulders." Should you enlighten people? Absolutely, so that others - few are they may be - will also have the chains lifted. The others you can leave alone. Most of the time it's the old and old-at-heart who have problems, as well as the immature youth (not that the old are mature). Although, I've received emails from elderly people who have also felt as if a great weight has been lifted, their fear and guilt removed, by reading my book. I had not considered that it could actually assuage the pain of those approaching death, but apparently it does.

This stuff has done such harm to the world as a whole, the sensibilities of the individual are hardly worth worrying about. Religion represents bigotry, hatred, "racism," sexism, etc. It is offensive to those of us who do not subscribe to such ideologies. Should we defer to those who hold them, concerned about their feelings? What about the feelings of freethinkers who are constantly lambasted with vile comments and malevolence because they don't believe?

As concerns the Black Athena debate, I would need to study the issue more thoroughly to produce my unbiased opinion. :)


Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:22:19 -0700
From: FB
Subject: Re: African American view on Christ Conspiracy
To: Acharya S

I am a blind African American who has been interested in the truth about religions for many years. The Christ Conspiracy is a book all christians should read. It is the same way in the blind community. The person from Alabama who wrote this message has been freed from the shackles of the real slave master.


From: TS
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 100 23:02:49 -0600 Central Daylight Time
To: Acharya S
Subject: RE: 5/5/2000 Conference

Ms. S,

Don't you feel "unsafe" in public? There are so many religious zealots out there that I am surprised that you haven't had your life threatened for rocking the boat.

By the way, do you have a quick and sure-fire put down that I can use. I'm constantly bombarded at work by Christian mental pathology. I think I have argued my case well but my co-workers leave their brains disengaged when it comes to their belief systems. This needs to be something that they can verify on their own, not esoteric information found only in obscure libraries.

I love my companions at work but they get a little too much, sometimes...

By the way, ordered your new book today.

Oh, there have been occasions when the crazies have been scary. There's a particular cult that tries to torment me - I call them "Gay Nazis for Christ." I have had the most insane bilge spewed at me from clearly deranged individuals. But, as you yourself say, this sort of thing is rather common, as you are "constantly bombarded at work by Christian mental pathology." For such there is no "quick and sure-fire put-down." They are too far gone for reason and logic.

Actually, no, I'm not afraid to speak in public. So far, I'm not so big a threat.  Although, I've apparently caused dissension in a few families, so some parents are mighty pissed at me, evidently. There are, however, bigger fish to fry, as they say.

Also, I'm not so desperate to stay on this plane (Earth) that I will live in fear. I'd rather do something "spectacular" than live a "safe" life. In addition, I was very ill for a period of three years, during which time I faced death numerous times. After that, not much is frightening.

There is no "quick, sure-fire way" to stop a religionist from being annoying. I have used a variety of methods. When they approach you to talk about "Jesus" or whatever, you could in return offer to share with them "your" "faith," using whichever you wish. Such as Zoroastrianism or Hinduism or Buddhism, regardless of your disbelief in it. I've introduced Lord Shiva to a few Christians who've come my way "shouting" epithets at me. They usually don't write back. Bore them to death with talk about salvation thru the teachings of Zoroaster, or the glory of Krishna or Buddha. Make it up. Tell them how superior is your system and how much better you feel since you accepted Lord Krishna into your life. Mirror them, using these alternative perspectives. They will probably avoid you pretty quickly.


Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:47:14 -0500
From: CF
To: Acharya S
Subject: Christ Con Influence

Last week I heard your name mentioned on two nationally syndicated radio shows. Art Bell show 4/15 when Annie Kirkwood was a guest and on Janet Parshall's America , an evangelical talk show. Keep up the good work.


From: JF
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:41:12 EDT
Subject: Love your site
To: Acharya S

Acharya,

I am new to atheistdom. I was a churchgoer as early as one year ago but since then I have come a long way. I would like to hear you speak. Do you tour? I will buy your book this weekend. Looking forward to it.

Thanks. Alas, without funding, it seems, I will not be doing any touring.


From: SF
To: Acharya S
Subject: Thanks
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:40:00 -0700

I have really enjoyed your web-page. It is so refreshing to "meet" somebody who is not afraid to think about religion. This so called Christians do not dare to think. I believe in God but not because the minister said so.

Keep up the good work.


Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:21:42 -0500
From: CF
To: Acharya S
Subject: Re: Christ Con Influence

Acharya S wrote:

Hey!

Wow! I heard about the Parshall show - some poor dad was grousing that I somehow caused his "good Christian" son to "denounce Jesus."

Yeah, I was sorry the guy was so upset about his kid making his own choices in life but when belief requires you pass it on to your children (as well as anyone who will listen), failure needs to be expected.

I had not heard anything about the Art Bell thing. I would, of course, love to know more!

It was on the April 15 th show with  Mike Siegel as host and guest Anne Kirkwood. Go to the Real Audio Archives on Art's site and start listening at 02:03:45 (the first caller of the second hour). Your name was referenced about 02:05:13....


Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000
From: MS
To: Acharya S

I am reading your book, Greatest Story Ever Sold, and it's absolutely wonderful!

I realize that you are surely very busy, but nothing ventured nothing gained. You've obviously had a great deal more experience with this sort of thing, and I was wondering if you could provide some insight or point me in the right direction for some information regarding the following argument that ended an interesting conversation on a bbs, when a participant began to get abusive, ending with the following:

(Begin quote) Proof: the following people mention Jesus in writing: Epictetus, Lucian, Aristades, Galenus, Lampridius, Dio Cassius, Emeritus, Annianus, Marcellinus, Eunapius, Zosimus, Porphyry, Hieracles, Julian the Apostate...that not enough??

round 2: Pliny the younger and not even Celsus went so far to claim Jesus never lived. Josepheus (and oh yea, if you're thinking his writing was forged, well you are gonna have to explain the fact the paragraph is in EVERY manuscript we have....if you even know what i am talking about, i dont have to go into the specific wording.)

round 3: geez, so do i have to mention the 5,000 NT manuscripts????????? damn man. we dont have anywhere close to have that number for many ancient writing we accept as authentic. but oh this is Jesus, so you immediately dismiss it. (End Quote)

I have always found fault with blind faith, and your book is great. Unfortunately, my education focuses on electrical engineering, and since you are easily my favorite authority on religious mythos, I decided I couldn't hurt to ask for your wisdom...

I applaud you and your work. As someone from deep within Mississippi, I see the need for a spiritual awakening all day every day.

Thank you

Thank you, dearheart.

That "proof" diatribe is absolute, unscientific rubbish. In the first place, all of the individuals this person mentions date from the second century to the fourth century - long after the Christian myth had been formulated and promulgated. Not one of them is an eyewitness. It would be something like writers babbling about Gulliver, two centuries after that fictional book was written. So, YES, that's not enough, and this person should be ashamed of him or herself. And that comment about Josephus is also quite idiotic and insufficient, simply apologist nonsense fabricated in order to combat the serious research that has demonstrated repeatedly over the centuries that the passage is a forgery (and an obvious one for those who have real education). The fact is that there WERE copies without the forgery, but these were evidently destroyed or have been hidden. Do I have to remind the uneducated that the Christian church went on a rampage and destroyed millions of texts, including, no doubt, copies of Josephus that did not contain this spurious passage, called the TF? And, unbeknownst to this unimpressive Christian apologist, there was at least one copy of Josephus into the 16th century that did NOT contain the TF. (For more on that, see my numerous "Christ Conspiracy" links.) Naturally the conspirators would not go around discussing these copies. These apologists really don't use their minds at all.

Regarding the alleged "5,000 NT manuscripts," we have probably 20 million copies of Superman comic books in circulation, so I guess that proves Superman was a real person? This person is merely relaying something his pastor or someone related to him. If you check out these so-called sources, you will find that they hold no water at all.

It matters not what silly and illogical apologists come up with, because the fact will remain that Jesus Christ is a mythical character, the personification of the sun.


From: AJ
To: Acharya S
Subject: This and That
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:36:32 -0600

Your site is excellent. Having taking time to study the mysteries and origins of religion myself, mostly due to noticing how at mass (I grew up Catholic) that no one "thought" they just sat, stood, stood, and sat, recited things, like the proverbial sheep they were to be.  Also, for some reason, no one (Catechism teachers) would ever answer any REAL questions I had, they would just say, "you're too cynical," which bears little meaning to an eight year old. I live in Utah, and a study on Mormonism was necessary to combat the missionaries coming to the door. I thought it much more fun to invite them in and ask them questions they couldn't answer rather than just sending them away. However, I decided, from the advice of my best friend, who happens to be a Hebrew/Middle Eastern scholar, to study the Bible, Christianity and its origins, and you will find that they are not any more credible than the Mormons. And of course, he was right. I know I can trust his scholarship and check his sources, so his library was an asset, as well as good sites on the web, such as yours.

I really enjoyed your paper on the Origins of Christianity... on my quest to discover if Christ was fact and fiction, or just fiction. I do however wish to ask why you include Kelsey Graves as a source? I have read in different places that he is of questionable scholarship. I am in the midst of proofing my first fantasy novel, but while my queries are out in the mail, I look forward to ordering and reading your book. Personally, I don't understand-- If "God" and "Religion" and the aspects thereof are so greatly important to people, why don't they study them? Why should you take the word of someone, being spoon-fed religious pabulum just to satiate your unknowing mind? Most people are corralled from birth to be trapped inside whatever ideology their parents were similarly trapped in, it's people like you who can provide a means of escape, the truth.

Take Care.

Thanks. I disagree with the overall negative assessment of Graves, by believers and skeptics alike, and find him to be refreshingly intelligent, despite his irrational evemerist take (i.e., ALL of these crucified godmen are "historical"). Even so, I used very little of his work, in comparison. What I did use is solid. I also used the Bible as a reference, and that has much more fiction in it than Graves's work.


Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:54:10 +0200
From: KY
To: Acharya S
Subject: hi

just a quick note to send you love.

love your website - and I find you very attractive.

love,


From: DB
To: Acharya S
Subject: Your Site
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:12:06 PDT

Wow! I read a bunch of your writings, and they were great! Independently, I've basically come to the same conclusions you have. I laughed so hard when I saw that picture of a bearded old man in the clouds! That is EXACTLY what I visualize when it comes to the Christian god.

I like to call their god the Cosmic Santa Claus. It's all very ironic, considering not only that Christmas is a stolen Pagan holiday, but that Santa Claus is a metaphor for how much most Christians miss the whole point (even of their own wacko religion).

By the way, I'm a "recovering" Christian. Hey, it's not my fault that I was brainwashed.

Here's a thought: Even in a void, virtual particles pop in and out of existence. By expending energy to detect them (which is very difficult), we can "pay" for them to become real particles. How's that for perception creating reality? I like to think of it as The Aethyr, a void bubbling with primal energy, from which love, thought, creativity, and all things ethereal come. Maybe I've just watched too many sci-fi movies.

Please write back, as I would benefit from having an intelligent person to correspond with.


Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:05:38 -0700
From: CR
To: Acharya S

Your book is incredible!!!   Hurrah! I love you so much. I had to peel it out of ****'s hands, and now **** wants to borrow it. It's the most important book...and it has to get read widely. What are you doing to promote it?


From: BD
To: Acharya S
Subject: O Acharya, whither goest the human species?
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:44:17 EDT

I've been reading (or attempting to read, the book is so badly copyedited that at times it is unreadable) *The Abduction Enigma* by Randle, Cone, and Estes. Interesting explanation for the "phenomenon" of alien abduction, locating it squarely in the addled psyches of the abductees and their misguided therapists. There is a chapter on recovery groups, showing how damaging they are, because they are so self-referential, because the members' neuroses are validated and expanded constantly, all in a rage to belong, and it struck me that this is exactly what religions are (the authors say that the groups "begin to function as a religion," but either don't connect or don't dare state that this is exactly how religions are born and maintained. And these poor, powerless people--the religionists--are precisely the ones who thirst for power and therefore become kings, rulers, politicians, etc., and thus run our society! I myself, a thinking person (most of the time anyway) don't want to run anything or anybody but myself. But the ill are in charge and we'd have to become like them to displace them. Pretty sad state of affairs.

And "Real Age," which I no longer subscribe to, sends a daily "Real Age Advice" column. Today's was that people who attend weekly religious services have more of some protein that prevents certain cancers, and so we should all be good religionists and get us to a service. I responded to them that I didn't appreciate their propaganda, and that if it takes worshipping a non-existent entity to live a few days longer, I'd rather take my chances and use my brain.

Well, keep up the wonderful work. Love the new book!


From: CG
To: Acharya S
Subject: Awesome site
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:39:01 -0700

I just want to say what a cool web site you have. It has truly opened my eyes to the evils of religion. I have never held any belief in god and I always felt that religion was pure brainwashing. I grew up in Salt Lake City Utah the mecca of the Mormon religion. I have seen first hand how the LDS religion has warped the minds of my family and friends. I thank you for putting out such a great site and I plan on buying your book.

" and ye shall seek the truth and the truth shall piss you off..."


Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:46:39 -0700
To: Acharya S
From: MG
Subject: Hello

I read your dissertation so I invite to accept the way of Zoroaster.


Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:57:50 -0700
To: Acharya S
From: MG
Subject: Hello

You might think it is silly but since I saw your biography can not slow down my heartbit...


Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:55:09 -0400
From: MK
Subject: Your Site
To: Acharya S

... some quetsions, before we start i just want to say i dont want to be a bother, consider me someone who is curious, i dont wanna be a bother, but i want to be able to hear your thoughts on several different topics, so here we go... If the gospels were written 170-180 A.D. then how could St. Ignatious have quoted from all four of them in 110 A.D. And as to Jesus being a mythical character, there is evidence of his existence, from Roman Crucifixion records, he was even mentioned in the Koran, (although his deity of denouned, but thats another topic, especially if his mere existence is in question!:-) Also take into account the testimony of Rousseu, he was no christian, yet he referes to the Bible as historical record, dozens of philosophers have seen evidence that would point to his existence, and they are atheist.  Personally, your site was the first site i was ever too that even hinted (well, it did more than hint) that Jesus didnt even exist.

This could be because of my backround, or you might say ignorance, but after having read the evidence, it keeps pointing back to at least his existence. And Theide is not the only scholar who has done such work, there are people who have no faith, and are researchers in the field who cant deny Jesus' existence. Although i havent read your site in full (been a busy day) i'm still workin on it. I was just curious as to hear what your thoughts were on these points....

Oy. You have not done your homework but are merely repeating the erroneous claims of others. Ignatius does NOT quote from any of the canonical gospels. All he does (and most of his epistles are known forgeries) is relate a developing story, with but a few elements, e.g., Pilate and the crucifixion. If you really want to know about this subject, you yourself will have to study it. Try reading hundreds of pages of not only Ignatius but also of the other church fathers, as I have done.

Secondly, whatever "Roman records" apologists have come up with have been demonstrated to be forgeries - quite easily demonstrated in fact. The church forgery mill pumped out hundreds of bogus epistles and gospels during the first centuries.

The Koran no more serves as evidence of Jesus's existence than does the National Enquirer. The Koran was compiled over six hundred years after the purported events. It is NOT an eyewitness account by any stretch of the imagination but relates what was already a KNOWN tradition - in fact, the premise of an entire religion. The Arabs could hardly have avoided addressing it.

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