Rousseau also is writing many centuries after the purported events. Having lived on planet Earth for some time and having as my own field of expertise this subject matter, I am quite aware of the numerous theologians and historians, etc., who claim that Jesus existed. Their testimony does not serve as evidence, anymore than if someone hundreds of years from now formed the opinion, from millions of comic books, a couple of TV shows, cartoons and several movies, that Superman was a real person.
As concerns my site being "the first," I am building upon the research of hundreds to thousands of years. Like I say at my site, there is an enormous body of literature on this subject. The discovery of this information comes when one really STUDIES the subject, rather than just superficially reading a few apologists' arguments.
Subject: Great Stuff
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:35:02 +1200
Its great to see someone addressing the subject of the bully boy mentality. It is a mind set that spreads similar to a disease, infecting with negativity where ever it goes. Though it is reassuring to know that 70% of those abused do not become abusers themselves, though they may continue to be victims. It is epidemic this disease of the mind. Since it is "they" who research and define everything, from our science to our medicine, to how we grow our food. "They" who are behind almost everything", define what is real and what isn't. They put us under socially engineered stress and through our controlled ignorance we produce a negative world through the 'Creative Mind Power' that we are in essence and in ignorance.
I think there needs to be a call to all ordinary citizens to wake up, stand up and rebuild our own communities from the ground roots up. Take our taxes back and put them directly back into our own communities and in a few short years be prosperous and financially self-sustainable. This also has the tremendous advantage of pulling the resources away from the bully boys at the top who use OUR OWN MONEY to keep us down. This one step would have a tremendous impact of the impending Draconian order that is inching its way in with centuries of playing us like fools. If all contributed initially to a community fund @ $5 per week they would be astounded at the accumulated funds. A community of 5000, would have in one week $25,000, in one month $100,000 and in one year ONE MILLION AND THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND!!! ($1,300,000). Imagine what they are getting off us in taxes, $15-20 million of our money to them a year!!!??? If we CLAIM OUR MONEY BACK and sensibly use it to become a self-sustainable community through still using pooled resources similar to our tax system, with the difference being it is true voluntary compliance.
Anyway I was wondering if you are aware of non-physical spirits that attach to us humans, as I have some info on this which may interest you. I think this a key to our many problems.
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:04:00 EDT
Subject: My mom is hallucinating, what do I do? :(
... If someone who is mentally ill hears spirits and souls, does that mean that all of us who believe in God or angels must also have some kind of mental psychosis to a small but subtle degree too? Does that mean most people in the world who believe in some type of God do so because of neurological problems ... ? Are we all part of some mass delusion or hallucination, but just at lower levels than those who are mentally disturbed? How will we ever know??????????
... I've had severe life crippling hellish mental disorders in my life too, and they came WHEN I was a devout Christian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How would you explain that???????
I would explain it by stating that religion is mental illness. Some religions are worse than other, such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Hinduism is not exactly sane, but it is not as bad as these three. Buddhism is the best of the major religions, but Taoism and Jainism are even more intelligent, although these two aren't exactly "religions." Belief in God is certainly also a mental malaise, in that humans should not have to believe in anything that is supposed to be omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Especially if it is omnipresent, it need not be believed in at all, as it would be self-evident.
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:01:04 EDT
To: Acharya S
You offer as proof that god does not exist: "At the top of this website is a prayer: 'God, protect me from your followers.' Well, needless to say, it doesn't work, thereby providing concrete proof that God doesn't exist and that prayer doesn't work."
The bible tells us that with out faith, prayer is powerless. Perhaps that is the problem.
In a court of law, one witnesses testimony is sufficient, the bible offers four different testimony to the life of Jesus (If you feel like a little research, you will find far more evidence of his existence out side the bible. Mostly from critics of the first century christians.
As for the existance of God, I'll gladly testify that he does exist, and has affected my life.
Jesus taught his followers that the first and great commandment was that we should love God "with all our hearts, and minds, and strength". But he also taught that we should love our neighbors as ourselves. Those who have been harsh or unfriendly to you should perhaps reconcile themselves with god, because it seems that from your attitude, they have been creating a grievous sin. But it is not really our place to judge ("Judge not lest ye be judged.")
It grieves me that you do not know the Lord, because it is truly a good and joyful thing. I will pray that God reveals himself to you, because I doubt you will make an effort to seek him out.
If I can help you, please let me know.
Peace be with you,
Your Friend in Christ
From the absurd to the inane. It is completely tiresome. I could care less what the bible says. It is a book written by men. There are hundreds of millions of them. I could just as easily say, "The Jesus Puzzle says Jesus is a fiction." As far as my "not knowing the Lord," in the first place, how presumptuous you are! Like 80% of Americans, I was born into the Christian cult, although my upbringing, fortunately, was Northeast Protestant, which means classy people who do not threaten each other with hellfire or brainwash each other with nonsense. In the second place, what if I told you I had become a born-again at one point? Fortunately, I was able to shed that hairshirt. Very uncomfortable - not at all a good and joyful thing. It was HORRIBLE. Totally repressive and against human nature. And next, I could just as easily say, "It grieves me that you do not know the LADY, because it is truly a good and joyful thing. I pray that Goddess reveals HERself to you, because I doubt you will make an effort to seek HER out." I would be just as correct as you. Actually, it IS a shame you don't know the LADY. You'd be much less obsessed with the Lord, which, for a heterosexual man, cannot be healthy.
Date: Tue Apr 25 19:48:46 2000
To: Acharya S
Your research seems to be lacking,
A great number of the events in the bible are easily verified by outside sources. including, but not limited to: Egyptian hyroglyphics, hitite (I think that is how it is spelled) cuniforms, and Roman historians. In fact, genetic evidence has even been found that supports the biblical creation story.
I would recomend two books that will surprise you. the first is a book simply entitled "Is the Bible True?" The author is a reporter for U.S. News and World Report, and he approaches the subject from a journalistic viewpoint. The second is entitled "The Case for Christ," this author was an atheist who set out to prove once and for all that the bible was bunk. He spent two years of solid research on this quest, and then admitted he was wrong.
As for your accusation of mind control. Well, the Lord does move in mysterious ways.
Your Friend in Christ,
I'm sorry, but YOUR research is wholly inadequate. So you've read a few magazine articles and popular books. I have studied the world's cultures in depth for three decades. I have also read parts of the Bible in the original Greek and Hebrew. I have spent days and weeks reading the voluminous writings of the early Church fathers, as well as the Jewish apocrypha and pseudepigrapha (do you know what those terms mean? Probably not, as they are scholarly).
I have also read dozens of books and articles regarding the mythology of the Bible, which should be evident to anyone with any scientific training at all. "Science" means "to know," which requires intense inspection and examination via a number of methods, including archaeology, history, language, etc. I am fairly literate in over a half dozen languages.
I recommend the writings of Israeli archaeologist Zeev Herzog. Herzog, along with many others, has basically proved that the fantastic stories of the Old Testament are just that, fantastic. Not historical, no archaeological evidence. Sure, some of the Bible reflects "history" to a degree, names of various kings and so forth and a few events are verified in Egyptian and Assyro-Babylonian records. But, like I say, the fantastic stories are certainly NOT validated by any known source, except as MYTHS in other cultures.
No, it is not I who am lacking. Those who blindly believe and then do a cursory and superficial "study" are not only lacking, they are dishonest. And they have little credibility.
Lee Strobel's book is nonsense. As a journalist, he is trained and is of the mindset to write for a sixth-grade educational level. Only those who have superficially looked at the subject would recommend his book.
And which Lord? You have been culturally programmed. Millions of Hindus believe in Lord Shiva, Lord Krishna, Lord Rama. Buddha is also called "the Lord." I take it you do not agree with their cultural programming. What makes you think your Israelite-European brainwashing is any different?
Also, for thousands of year prior to the Christian era "God" was considered FEMALE. Hence, there was NO LORD. I could just as easily say, "The LADY works in mysterious ways," and I would have every right to my opinion.
The fact remains that most Christians are not very bright, and their arrogance in attempting to badger everyone else - including people FAR MORE intelligent than they - into their childish paradigm is one of the reasons they are disliked. They are also extremely ignorant of the world's cultures, yet they attempt to tell FAR MORE educated people what's what.
Cut it out, already. Be quiet, step aside, and stop impeding human growth.
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:42:14 -0500
To: Acharya S
Hi! I found your website through The Konformist, looked around a bit, and decided I had to have your book. :) I mentioned your site and book to a friend, and how I so wanted to get your book but couldn't afford *anything* extra at that point. He ordered a copy for me and a copy for himself. :) And two other friends want to borrow it as soon as I'm done reading it. Alas, I have only just started reading it, time has always been against me.
At any rate, I wanted to let you know that from what I've seen so far I'm very impressed. I was "loosely" raised Lutheran, but converted to Wicca just after high school. In high school I went through a "Jesus Freak" stage where I actually read the Bible cover-to-cover. In all honesty, if I had never read the Bible I'd probably still be Christian today. It was the Bible itself that started me questioning the "reality" of Christianity. I've been practicing Wicca for the past 10 years, but approximately two years ago I was diagnosed with Type I Diabetes, and my faith in any superbeing has thoroughly been shaken. I have a much easier time believing that "nature" rules, rather than a divine being. I cannot fathom what I did in my lifetime that was so cruel I deserve a punishment such as this horrid disease. All I do know is that I've lost my faith in pretty much everything, I'm absolutely terrified of dying, and I've spent the last two years of my life in an almost constant state of depression and denial, slowly withdrawing from the world around me. Christians would say it's a "test" from "God" ~ well, I don't find that very "merciful and loving". Most Wiccans would say it's a "punishment" for wrongs done in a previous life, but I've never believed in reincarnation. I think I'm on my way to either going completely insane or becoming atheist, because I just cannot find any other justification for this.
I wanted to congratulate you for all your wonderful work that I've witnessed so far. I must admit, until I received your book I thought you were a man. I was pleasantly surprised to find out otherwise. :) Although my first comment on discovering such intelligence (and beauty, I may add) from a woman was "Oh my, she must get *tons* of flack for this". Being female and intelligent myself I know what it's like. I was in a two year relationship with a Christian man and any time we discussed the issue of whether or not Christianity was "real" we fought like crazy and he always summed it up to me being a "femi-nazi" and not liking the male aspects of Christianity. Yes, it's true I didn't like the overall "patriarchy" of the religion, or the oppression women suffered under such a religion, but that wasn't what pushed me out of the religion ~ it was the blatant contradictions in the Bible, the cruelties many people suffered due to that religion, and the inability of "Christian scholars" to answer any of my questions with an actual answer. At any rate, I learned my lesson about dating Christians! :) I do have a few "open-minded" Christians as friends, but it's completely pointless for a "sinner" like me to date a Christian. :)
Sorry I rambled so much, I just so rarely find anything worthwhile enough to engage me in conversation anymore. I live in *******, Minnesota, do you ever do lectures here? I would be very interested in attending one, if so. Thank you for all your work on your site and with your books!
To: Acharya S'
Subject: Bring yourself of England
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:57:54 +0100
... I sent details of your book to the editor of Freethinker, the national Magazine of the National Secular Society, and hopefully he will do a piece on it too.
I was also talking to a PhD Student here at the London School of Economics who campaigns against state religious teaching in schools here and mentioned it too.
I shall make sure your book is publicised here, if its the last thing I do!
To: Acharya S
Subject: Hi Acharya
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:17:48 -0700
I want to thank you for your site. I love it and use it whenever I need info, it's a great quick reference for debunking the Christ myth. I was referenced to the site by ****; she talks highly of you. I haven't covered the whole site but I love coming back whenever I find the time
Again, many thanks for the time and effort you have put into this.
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:37:21 EDT
To: Acharya S
Hi ... **** has some wonderful things to say about you. ***** is just a wealth of information, ideas, theories, opinions, and feisty impassioned dialog. I've only just begun to look around your site, but I thought I'd just say hello before I walk in. I am a full-time grad student ... at ******* University in their ... Arts Masters program, and I will graduate after next term. I am on the prowl for any and all information I can use to educate students with a broader range of material, as well as educating some of my current god/Jesus/immortal soul professors while I'm at it. Since I am fairly new to web surfing, there is a great deal I do not know about and I am amazed by how much information is out there, and also how much baloney.
It is lovely to find your work....
To: Acharya S
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:31:04 +1000
you dont have to prove that faith is a con .
when you are coning yourself.
faith is not about figures but of an inner concern of who you are.
I promise I will NEVER cone myself. BTW, if your god is so real, why does he need silly people like you to speak for him? Come on, folks, please get some self-awareness. Y'all sound really dumb!
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:25:18 +0100
To: Acharya S
Subject: Skeptical page
First off, love the web pages - there's lots to do and see!
Second, on researching some of the issues in the Christ Conspiracy, I stumbled onto this page, which seems to refute some of your information:
Are the claims there of interest, or are they easily refuted?
Indeed, they are easily refuted. As is well known, blind believers will twist things around to maintain their shaky faith. Such is how Christianity was created, and those who know its true story will be automatically suspicious of anything its apologists and advocates have to say. In other words, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Since the foundation of Christianity is rife with forgery and fraud, anything that follows should be suspected.
The fact is and shall always be that the majority of concepts in the Christ myth can be found in older, predecessor religions and cultures, no matter how much these fanatics attempt to chip away at the details. And the fact will also remain that many of these aspects of the Christ myth revolve around the sun, i.e., are parts of the story of the sun god. Therefore, the story of the SUN of God is what is being reflected in the New Testament. These facts simply will not go away. Here are two incontrovertible proofs of this statement: The writings of the early Church fathers such as Justin Martyr and Tertullian, who acknowledged that the earlier "pagan" gods were born of virgins, raised people from the dead and were resurrected, but who used the spurious argument that these similarities were because "the devil got there first" and planted these Christlike ideas in the heads of the naive. Other proof can be found the writings of Macrobius, who in large part was correct in his analysis that many of the old gods were sun gods. For those who actually know the history of the world in depth, i.e., have studied it intensely, rather than sketchily in order to find bits and pieces to dishonestly uphold a tenuous "faith," there is no question that Jesus Christ is a solar myth. These believers need to stop their nonsense, as they are harming the human species, keeping it puerile and dishonest, and holding it back from evolving into a better creature. At this stage, the religionists have been dictating the human psyche, and the resultant mess is theirs. The human being is completely messed up because of religionist rubbish. Again, they need to stop. They are like bad little children who need to be disciplined.
To: Acharya S
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2000 19:07:08 -0300
I REALLY LIKE YOUR SITE! ...
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK!
To: "From Sex to Superconsciousness"
Subject: Re: rebuttal of Fortean Times review...
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:06:51 -0500
Acharya, I have to 'go with ya' when you once said to me that anyone who "gets" the Christ Con IS SMART! This guy Barrett is not smart especially as he claims to have read (I take it) the entire book (as well as The Jesus Mysteries). It is not possible for anyone with a smattering of brains and a sincerely honest heart to MISS the obvious truth when it slaps em up side the head!
Love your rebuttal page!
Barrett's scratching kitty litter over "earth's dirty little secret"....when a ton of baking soda can't stifle the stench.
"Truth is bitter in the beginning, sweet in the end, and lies are sweet in the beginning, bitter in the end when they are exposed."
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:54:02 +0600 (GMT-6)
From: HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY
Subject: What's wrong with religion?
I am listening to "What's wrong with religion?"... and y'all were talking about the number 12, and how prevalent it is in religion. Are you familiar with natural numbers as opposed to base 10 numbers? (base 16, 12, 2, etc) If you are, do you think that has anything to do with the magical numbers found in religion? (12 apostles, etc)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:33:55 EDT
To: Acharya S
If you aren't already married, I'd like to marry you!
To: Acharya S
Subject: The Vatican
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:52:29 -0700
>>>The Vatican is certainly built upon the seat of Mithraism.
Now that is interesting. You say the SEAT of Mithraism? By that do you mean the MAIN center of worship?
One of my favorite subjects is slamming Christianity with fact. (Lost a few friends by doing it.) But I am a firm believer in the truth. Many people ask, "Well, what do you believe then?" I can only say, "It doesn't matter what I believe, the question is...what is the truth."
Back when I was a Christian, I always had these doubts in the back of my mind. (Probably just my common sense telling me something is way wrong) Then I read the Messianic Legacy which first gave me good reason to outright question the faith. This led to reading other books on the same subject matter. Needless to say I was able to lift a big monkey off my back and say..."what the hell was I thinking!!!!"
I must say...your book (Christ Conspiracy) has got to be the single best compilation of good data and historical fact to date. TWO THUMBS UP!!!!!!
Anyway, I am very excited that I got through to you via E-Mail. I understand that you are probably very busy, but if you don't mind, I'd like to fire off a few questions to you every now and again. (I'll try to keep them short.) I am still searching for the truth, maybe you can help me find it, maybe not. But I am impressed with your credentials and certainly you are more educated on this subject than I am.
P.S. Ever notice that when you read a pro-Christian book that delves into this stuff, they twist the facts around to make it look like Catholicism is actually the Church of Satanic worship. Forget the fact that if you are a Christian other than Catholic, you basically are nothing more than a mutation of Catholicism!!!! Whether they like it or not...Catholicism was there first!
To: Acharya S
Subject: The great you are...
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 05:50:41 GMT
Who are you? What is your message in your vessel to fill the space on your mission?
I am the One who comes to you in your dreams. heh heh 8P
To: Acharya S
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:55:2 -0700
I stumbled on your page while looking for conspiracy web sites. I'm a Catholic and happily so. When you connect with the Divine it is undeniable no matter what the history says. To feel the true source of love and have a mystical union with it is the true hope of anyone. I wrote to say you're not a half bad looking broad:)!
Thanks. Hopefully, after reading my site you are no longer a Catholic. Hard to imagine someone happily admitting to adhering to a murderous cult that has been responsible for tens of millions of deaths and the destruction of culture around the world.
But, such is the fallacy of religion, as "connecting with the Divine" should actually provide a conscience.
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 02:46:36 -0700
Subject: How to Become a Hindu
To: Acharya S
Let's get serious for a moment. Please explain to me your understanding of how all matter, especially life forms came into existence. I am very curious how one of your persuasion rationalizes a perfectly balanced universe with brilliantly designed life forms, all giving evidence to a designer and creator...
Ps. I don't know if you remember me but I wrote to you many months ago when I discovered your book the Christ Conspiracy. That book sent me on an honest journey of re-examination of my faith and the facts of history. I thank you for inspiring me to sharpen my own understanding of truth. But Now I am stronger than ever, a believer in the true, historical Jesus.
"For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him." Colossians 1:16, NIV.
This person is, of course, a pastor, which means he makes his livelihood off the hoax. No sane person could read my book and those countless tomes of the various Christ mythicists over the centuries and be "stronger than ever, a believer in the true, historical Jesus." It's sickening. Shameful, in fact. The only way these people are going to shape up and become honest is to be embarrassed by increasing numbers of critics who call them on their shit. Quoting the Babble is not going to make it all true, no matter how many times you try.
"The nature of the world is duality. It contains each thing and its opposite: joy and sorrow, goodness and evil, love and hate. Through experience of these, we learn and evolve, finally seeking Truth beyond all opposites. Aum." Well now, I've quoted a Hindu holy scripture, so I guess that settles it: Krishna is Lord and Hinduism is the true religion.