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I just wanted to thank all of you for being yourselves. These threads have given me the much needed tools for the ongoing process of becoming an aware person. I am awake. I am activated. I am illuminated by your light of multiplicity. For this I am eternally grateful. I catch a lot of hell (xtian pun intended) from the robots and consider this mail list one of a few islands of sanity and reason. Even my wondrous wife (born and raised in the dogmatic culturally chosen religion of Christianity) has started asking the "deep" psychology type of questions needed to break the bonds of indoctrination. Ironically enough, I find myself reading the Christian bible more often and am about to get an Aramaic version of it. Its whole context has changed by transliteration. I'm only doing this to "arm" myself against attacks by xtian apologists. 

Thanks, 


Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:16:00 -0700 (PDT) 
From: CF 
Subject: Just want to let you know... 
To: Acharya S

That Jesus loves you and you can have peace if you will only accept him as your personal Lord and Saviour. 

Nah just kiddin', I'm about halfway through your book and it is fascinating. It's nice to see someone devoted to finding and spreading truth and knowing rather than trying to justify their own beliefs by trying to win over everyone to the same beliefs. 

I'm hoping my balls will grow large enough to send your book to my mother, who by the way says something similar to my intro every time she writes me, along with an admonition to start going to church. Why is it that the believers focus so much on getting people into church? It seems like that is a requirement that is even greater than just having blind faith. Hmmm? 

Anyway take care, I can't wait to see what great works lie ahead for you. 


To: "From Sex to Superconsciousness" 
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:57:49 -0700 (PDT) 
From: CF 
Subject: He is risen indeed 

Oh now look here is someone on a crusade to save the world. I guess she's hoping for a good parking space in heaven. 

I wonder if she ever wondered why an all-powerful God and Saviour would need her efforts to crusade and spread the word and win souls for Jesus. It seems to me that if Jesus figured I need savin' then he'd knock on my door some time and tell me himself. Didn't he say "Behold I stand at the door and knock, if any man will open the door I will come in to him and sup with him and he with me"? 

If he's knocking, why is it that all I hear is the self-righteous pounding of church fanatics whose true aim is to enforce their own vengeful will upon a world they are to weak to progress with? 

It's funny how these people even see themselves as suffering when people disagree with their "beliefs". Yet most people everywhere allow them their faith. But they just can't bear that faith alone. They need support from people and justification by numbers, lest they lose their faith and realize the truth. 

Which is that a God would not need a plan for salvation. He/She/They would have made man and the world perfect to begin with, and would have bound that old serpent the devil a long time ago. 

I don't know everything but I do know this. What is so good and perfect about life is that it is experienced individually. Heaven, Peace, and Utopia are just another word for Death. We need to celebrate our differences instead of trying to make everyone perfect and Christlike. 

To the lady that sent the picture. I'm happy that you've found something to believe in that helps you make it through every new day. But you don't need to feel obligated to give it to us. We've all found our own personal ways of enjoying life rather that just trying to cope. The fact is that you're here whether God put you here or not and you might as well have a good time and live; and let live. 


To: "From Sex to Superconsciousness" 
From: Deborah 
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:22:35 EDT 
Subject: Stories of the Flood

The Flood story has existed in literature far longer than the story of Noah. As well, the flood story exists in all regions in the Northern Hemisphere. 

In the Sumerian and later Babylonian and Akkadian traditions, Utnapeshtan, the wise king or priest of Shurrepuk, built an ark and carried along with him the "seeds" of all living creatures. This is a different interpretation than the Noah story in which it is clear they speak of seeds (Could they mean frozen eggs and sperm or DNA?) not specific animals. Also, the ark is not necessarily a boat as we were taught in Sunday School. An ark means vessel. In the Sumerian, an ark is a vessel that could be a boat but also a water or food jar. It is anything that holds something else. The human body was also called an ark in the ancient cultures as their belief was it too was a vessel but for the godhead. 

Also in the Sumerian and Akkadian traditions and mentioned in the Book of Enoch, the Flood was to wipe out the giants from the face of the earth. In the Book of Enoch, these giants were called the Nephilim, the sons of the Watchers. 

In North America, the Arapaho, Pawnee and Shoshone Indian nations have their own stories of the Flood. Wiyott, the Shoshone creator god and Neshanu the Arapaho equivalent, brought a flood to destroy the giants, similar to the Book of Enoch. 

The Greeks also had such a flood story as did the Egyptians. For the Greeks it was Uranus who tired of his children's whining and their abuse toward their mother, Gaea (Earth). He called the floods to come forth and wipe out his ungrateful brats, again including giants. 

Setmet, the lion goddess was sent to Earth by Ra to destroy the abominations he had created. These abominations did include ungrateful humans but again...giants. She ravaged the land with fire and volcanoes. Ra repented sending Setmet as she took her job seriously. He sent her a drugged wine flask to drink. She drank and drank and poured the wine unto the land inundating it. Once she was in a drunken stupor he turned her into the goddess Hathor, the bull-headed goddess. 

According to recent data, the Great Sphinx at the Giza Plateau is much older than first considered. It is now being dated approximately 10,000 years old. I would suggest that it is even older than that if the archeoastronomical data is correct. Also current investigations by John Anthony West, the Sphinx shows signs of erosion by water, erosion so significant that can only be accounted for by a massive inundation or inundations. 

The last Ice Age ended approximately 12,000 years ago. It is possible that there was an older civilization dating back further than 6,000 years ago, the time of the Age of Taurus and this Ice Age group may have been the originators of the Flood Stories. It is quite possible that floods did occur as the Ice Age came to an end. We see evidence today of ice caps melting at both poles. It isn't a far-fetched story as it used to be. 

However, the evidence points to an earlier time for the flood and the story was passed down for generations in oral tradition until written down finally in clay tablets and on papyrus leaves starting 6,000 years ago. 

Again, the use of astrological, symbolic language is employed. Uranus, the opposite of the Age of Leo. Setmet, the Lion Goddess, Also through every story, the constant reference to giants or Nephilim and the "seed" of all living things. This points to the Age of Leo, some 12,500 years ago. 


From: DB 
To: Acharya S 
Subject: Origins of Christianity
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:36:29 GMT 

Hi, 

First, I want to let you know that I love your site; it's very informative without being boring. Ok, I was having this conversation with this person on IRC about the origins of Christianity, about how likely it is that early Christians copied their stories on Jesus from earlier religions and such. He/she gave me this website to check out. That website says that all those cultures/religions that have concepts that Christianity supposedly stole (like the Horus of Egypt, Mithra, Krishna, etc stories), only have records no earlier than the 2nd century or so. The site also says that most scholars do not believe this, and that it is bad scholarship to believe this when there is evidence (supposedly) that's against it. To me that sounds like they're just saying that to scare people away from believing it, kinda like the way the bible discourages freethinking and such. I'm a little reluctant to believe Christians when they try to prove things from their religion, since throughout history they lie and twist things around. Even modern Christian ("pseudo-science") science inexcusably passes off scientific theories (that can be easily proven wrong by real scientists) that support biblical events as truth. So what do you think about this guy's claims that the stories of Horus, Krishna, etc were made up AFTER Christianity started up? After reading most of the pages of your website, you seem like a very intelligent person, so I think highly of your opinion. Here's the website that defends the originality of Christianity: 

http://www.rim.org/muslim/pagannt.htm 

There's also this other site that tries to prove that Jesus did resurrect and such, but again, I'm a little wary of actually believing anything that comes from a Christian's mind (not a prejudice thing, it's just that Christian science has proved that many of them are not at all interested in the truth): 

http://sguthrie.tripod.com/resurrection.htm#The Structure of the Argument for the Resurrection 

Also, do you know any good books to read on the subject (other than your own book, I already plan on buying that)? I know that you're probably a very busy person so there's no real rush in getting a reply back to me and I'm sorry if my message was too long and boring. 

Thanking you in advance

Thank you. I have heard this spurious argument many times. No matter how much baloney these folks come up with, the simple fact will remain that the gist of the Christ myth existed for millennia prior to the Christian era. These other godmen were NOT copied from the Christ character - not a chance. The evidence abounds in the archaeology and the historical records, including numerous hieroglyphics in Egypt, temple designs and ancient texts, which precede the Christian era by hundreds to thousands of years. By claiming that nothing dates earlier than the 2nd century, the apologists are hoisting themselves on their own petards: The 2nd century is when Christianity was really created, and its proponents went on a rampage destroying cultural and religious works globally, for the very reason, in fact, that these artifacts revealed that Christianity is unoriginal. 

One need only look at the admissions of the Christian fathers of the second century. In these numerous admissions, which I cite in my book, these Church fathers readily admit that these other dying and rising savior gods are found in the myths of other cultures - but they claim that the similarity is because the Devil got there first and tried to fool the pre-Christian cultures. Such admissions virtually disprove the claims of these dishonest believers that anything was copied from Christianity.

"Most scholars do not believe this" - believe what? That the world was full of pre-Christian savior gods and goddesses, that virtually everything of Christianity existed long prior to the Christian era in a variety of other cultures? That the notion that Christianity took nothing from these other, older cultures is not only completely erroneous but represents cultural bigotry to its extreme? That line should read "Most Christian 'scholars' don't believe this" of course not!--AS


From: JF 
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:36:34 EDT 
To: Acharya S 

I've read through your site and found it VERY thought provoking. I have not been a practicing Catholic for a while now, FYI.... The fact is, I am one of the few people I know who can somehow reconcile their religious beliefs with their otherwise hardheaded skepticism. My beef is NOT with organized religion, but with those who PERVERT AND ABUSE it for their own purposes. All religions, it seems to me, were founded with the best of intentions, but the road to trouble is paved with good intentions, as the saying goes. Supposing God to be real, would his conscience allow Him in His omnipotence to let the very people who are supposed to be preaching His word to the world to go against his will in the name of their own greed?  Perhaps they will not be punished in this life, but religion at least provides the comforting illusion that there is a hell--and that those who spend their lives exploiting and spiritually & financially anal-raping God's faithful followers will go there. I like the idea of the Tao, God-as-life-force. Having read Lao Tzu, I can relate to the idea that lies behind Taoism (and behind the founding philosophies of many other religions): that if one is truly enlightened as to the natural order of the universe, the flow of things, then whatever one does will be in accordance with that flow. Call it the Tao, the Force, or the will of God; whatever It is, we are put here so that we might learn to embrace it and, in so embracing it, doing good in Its name. Organized religions are only so much window dressing, and as such almost irrelevant to the real experience of knowing the REAL God, whatever he/she/it is. Unfortunately, there are many false prophets out there, selling fake enlightenment to an unwitting public; as I've said before, I've nothing against religion ITSELF--just against the bastards who exploit it unfairly or try to shove it down everyone's throats. Please feel free to write back, if you get the time.... 

Thanks. I agree with your Taoist perspective. But, "all religions were founded with the best of intentions?" Nah. Mind-control, profit, sexual exploitation those are the major reasons for the monotheistic patriarchal religions and their theocracies.--AS


From: DP 
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:59:18 EDT 
Subject: Truth be known... 
To: Acharya S 

Dear Acharya, 

I just found your website, and browsed through a few of your rants, etc. to get a feel for it all.... On the surface, I was very pleased. You express most of my thoughts and feelings on the subjects you; you seem to be one of the few truly intelligent people left in the world. However, thinking about it a bit more deeply, I must ask a question; why bother? Those who agree with you already did, without your pouring so much effort into this. The rest, are dug so firmly into their idiocy and ignorance that nothing, nothing will shake them loose. I'll admit, I'm only 16, and there's a lot to life I've not seen. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there are good people, and maybe everything will magically get better. The more I look, and see, and hear, and feel, though, the clearer it seems that people are worthless sheep. So mired in their own filth that they are incapable of seeing any small bit of reason...how can you hope to let the truth be known in such a world as this? Ah well, forgive the depressed ramblings of an angst-ridden teenager, and keep up the good work, whatever your reasons.... Goodnight. 


Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:27:08 -0700 
From: UN 
To: Acharya S 
Subject: Sheila written out of history, seemingly 

The Rajneesh piece in the new Steamshovel failed to mention Sheila's substantial role in the deterioration of the situation in Oregon and in the organization in general. Coincidence? Hmmm What happened to the Galaxy 37 people? 


From: NB 
To: Acharya S 
Subject: Thank you for publishing your book! 
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:36:32 -0400 

For many years I've felt that the whole organized religion thing was contrived during the dark ages. My father was a Lutheran minister - what a horribly controlling way to grow up. This Yuletide I'm sending out greeting cards that inform my friends about the commonality of the 25 December birthdays of all the virgin-born saviors. 

Joyous Blessings! 


Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:35:20 +0100 
From: PG 
To: Acharya S 
Subject: your book 

Have just read excerpts from your book, and completely agree with the ideas and conclusions you make. But if Jesus never existed, why did recorded history (in the Christian world at least) begin at the time it did or for any reason at all. In terms of BC and AD why would those terms be used. My point being that if he never existed then how can people be able to say that this is year 0001,0002-2000, you can't just put it in a few years later and start from year 4 or 5 and hope no-one notices. There had to be some initial event that made the Christian faith begin recording history from that date, i.e. the birth of Jesus. I don't quite know the exact history regarding this time period, so there may be a simple explanation. I would appreciate your thoughts on that question if you have timebut I expect you are a very busy person. You may have answered this point in your book, but as I am a poor student I am unable to buy it at the moment, but hope to do so in the near future as your ideas sort of tie up with my philosophy that I am getting together at the moment, and the book looks like a fascinating read. Any thoughts on the matter above would be appreciated. Cheers 

The BC/AD dateline was not created until the 6th century of the Common Era, by Dionysius Exiguus. It was hindsight based on the gospel fable. There was no dramatic starting point.--AS


Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:46:19 -0400 
From: DW
To: Acharya S 
Subject: Question Reality 

Dear Ms. S, 

I just wanted to drop you a quick note to let you know that I'm a very big fan of your website. Your essays are very interesting and thought provoking, especially the one on the Origins of Christianity. I've spent far too many hours pondering such things, so it's always nice to read an entirely fresh and compatible viewpoint. 

I'd like to invite you to visit my own oddball website. It is a collection of strange digital art that I've created, some of which has been influenced by your essays, part of which has come from concepts like Richard Brodie's memecentral.com and most of which is just my unusual imagination. 

At the moment I've also working on an idea for a bit of digital sequential art that will focus more on concepts relating to sun worship. Hopefully it will prove to be interesting. 
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