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From: KM
To: Acharya S
Subject: stuff
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:57:18 -0600

This is a note from a good friend of ours ... ***** *****, from the famous "*****" family in America & Europe. He ordered your book, at MY insistence, from your publisher....

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From: ZW
Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 1:16 PM

Hello ... have been doing quite a bit of reading in your friend's book, "Christ Con" - pretty awesome. I'm beginning to give a great deal of mind work to this whole concept. This all makes sense too me on a grander note than anything else I have pursued. Conceptually, I can't fathom the concept of "that's how it is" - proof must lie in the pudding somewhere. Faith unfortunately doesn't work. It's like a dog that can't hunt. (fig of speech)....

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:27:56 -0600
From: VS
To: Acharya
Subject: a quick note


... I was having a discussion today with the friend that steered me to your site...and we both found it a catalytic experience. Neither of us were theists or Christians before. Being from the South, we have had to essentially deprogram ourselves in an ongoing effort for most of our adult lives, since a Christianity bordering on fundamentalism is almost the given as far as spirituality goes in this part of the world. But your excellent and concise scholarship sort of removed the vestiges of our latent and long hidden acceptance of it as - how should I say - an acceptable and alternate viewpoint.

I myself am damn near a Taoist - as a college dropout from Mississippi can be, I reckon. But given that I have found the work of Jung and Joseph Campbell both fascinating and compelling, and, of late, have been intrigued by some of David Icke's ideas. I know find myself wondering how this whole thing got started. As Robert Anton Wilson might point out, it is almost as if Judeo-Christianity was a viral meme. Including the powerful and sometimes seemingly irresistible urge it engenders in those "infected" to proselytize, "spread the virus," so to speak. Whenever I start reflecting on this, my deconstructive analysis starts to flow in disturbing directions.

The argument could justifiably be made that the widespread adoption of that viral meme has determined most clearly the direction the world has taken for the last few millennia at least. And it has, I feel, pretty clearly stifled the development of our understanding of the universe our history and certain fields of knowledge by a couple thousand years at least.

So, I wonder - given that as it has been observed by many - there seems to be a trend of growing interest in America in matters spiritual. And, as has also been suggested, there is a growing crisis of increasing pluralization and polarization. Given the way in which so many analytical bell curves are in the process of inverting in our society ... we may be facing a major choice, in a collective sense.

I may very well be a pessimist, but I don't hold a great deal of stock in the capacity for most members of our species to engage in spiritual and ideological self-examination and critical analysis, especially under the pall of the growing sense of vague unease so many are feeling.

Given the added and very real - I dare say, undeniable, at this point - ticking clock of environmental destabilization.and climactic disorder, we are running out of time. We have been essentially mislead, quite willingly I think ... almost participating collectively in a conspiracy against ourselves, to burn up our chance at growing up as a race. I grant you, many people are coming around, but not all that many in all. To be quite blunt, the vast majority will only "wake up" when it is far too late, when the evidence is as undeniable as a brick across the skull, that we have been doing things terribly, terribly wrong.

So, what is there to do? I don't know. I suggested to my aforementioned friend today, jokingly, that we should devise a method to separate those who are capable of critical thinking of their ideological and spiritual perspectives from those who seem innately incapable of it, and one or the other has to move to Mars.

Well, thank you for the opportunity to rant - and for being one who I can rant about such things at. Believe it or not, I find those few and far between where I am. I do wish to express that I know what sorts of angry, cruel energies must get thrown your way, and suggest that you do not forget that there are many who support you and think very highly of you for what you have done and for who you are. And I will say that, for what its worth, I will say I have your back, ma'am, for that is the highest honor I can bestow.

May the Tao bring you good fortune and wonders.

From: SA
To: Acharya S
Subject: Interested
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:09:37 +0200

Hi there

I have seen the letters regarding what people perceived of your book and am very interested. My only problem is that I am located in South Africa. I really want the book. What can I do?

[You can get it thru any of the ways listed at the Christ Conspiracy page, hon.

From: SE
To: "Acharya S"
Subject: Jordan Maxwell & Astrotheology
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:56:49 –

.... Gawd, it's awfully thrilling to turn people onto the Christ con stuff. I have two more individuals reading your book and I just know they will want to own one of their own! All mine are loaned out. Even **** is loaning his copy out and he hasn't even read the whole thing!

From: TN
To: "Acharya S"
Subject: Who IS Acharya S?
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:40:49 -0600

Most would ask, why bother with such a Dolt? But that is what endears me to you. You do love to fight. You have great passion and mystery. That just pisses some people off. They wish they had your fire, your light. They are the scab-pickers. They spend their existences finding fault because they cannot create. So easy to be a critic...

If you find out who he is, I will break his legs thoroughly.

This message refers to a nutcase who viciously assailed me. After I essentially called him a "Gay Nazi for Christ," by suggesting that his vitriolic and fascistic passion for Jesus was homoerotic, he shouted, "I AM a homosexual!" And then started threatening me that he's going to tell everyone I hate homosexuals, which I do not. These blind-believers are very sick, and it's hard not to start feeling sickened by them. He should have been stunned that I had him pegged, but he's too psychotic. What you say about the attempt to usurp "my light" seems accurate. These are the creepy kids in high school who went around cutting everyone else down. They are also the geeks who no one could stand or wanted to hang around with, such that they are embittered with those truly living life. They are lonely and feel unloved. They have found delusional superiority and "the love of Jesus" in their mindless beliefs in Christianity, to soothe their battered egos, ardently believing that they are better than everyone else, including and especially their tormentors, such as other students. All the rest are sinners, while they are "saved." Blecccch. Like I say, it's hard not to be sickened by their illness.

From: GS
To: Acharya S
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:45:28 -0800

Oh my god (no pun intended)! There IS intelligent life in the universe. I also find the "god" story repugnant. I don't really see Christianity as "good" or "bad" per se. But I see it as false. Basically, the "Christians" I see are really not any better -- or Worse -- than anyone else. They pretty much ascribe to the same middle-class norms and middle-class values that other people do. The only difference is that they babble about things that don't exist.

My personal favorite is a friend of mine who told me "what kind of god would there be if I could just take you back in the woods and say 'here he is.'" My answer : a REAL one! I don't believe that people can make up this horrible, self-serving story, and put this insidious "catch-22" in it where to know one way or the other, it is already too late. You have to be dead to know. And you can't ask someone who is dead what the truth is, so it is insidious. At that point, people are free to fabricate whatever self-serving story they want to, and attribute it to "god." But such stories are nonsense and lies.

When I bring home my paycheck, I am "indulging in vanity, gluttony, and greed." When the Christian brings home his paycheck, he is bringing home "the blessings that the lord has bestowed on him to provide for him and his family." What a crock of shit!! And it goes on and on. Just because I'm not brainwashed, does that mean I should be tortured?

And my favorite -- PROVE IT! They can't. There is nothing to prove! Anyway. I have no way of knowing. Their story could be absolutely true. I could die, be judged, and after a desperate last-resort attempt at kissing Jesus's ass, I could be thrown deep into hell where I would agonize forever and ever. But there is no PROOF that such a ridiculous story is true, and even further, there is no way to even GET that proof.

Anyway. I have had my morning rant. I feel better.

From: JC
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:21:22 EST
Subject: Neat Site
To: Acharya S

God created man, then man created God. Nice site, neat work. Thank

From: JP
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:16:31 EST
Subject: Fwd: ok question..
To: Acharya S


Maybe the following email I sent to this "wacko xian chick" will make your day!


Attachment: Forwarded Message

From: JP
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:20:51 EST
Subject: Re: ok question..
To: Anti-Submissive

Anti Submissive,

Thank you for your question.

Having spent the last 35 years studying this subject I can tell you that I am well aware of the nature of your arguments and belief system. However, unlike you, I have also looked well beyond the narrow scope of the world view held by "Bible Believing Christians."

All religionists, of every persuasion, believe, "with all there hearts," that their beliefs are the correct ones and all others are wrong. By sharing this view you are simply telling me that you are closed minded and have been successfully brainwashed by those that have taught you your religion.

Whether you agree or not, Catholicism IS a "Christian" religion. You simply don't like that fact and therefore deny it. It is monumentally inconvenient that Catholics, as Christians, have been responsible for so many countless murders.

Fanaticism always exacts a heavy price both from its adherents and those that it persecutes. Nothing has been so destructive, in this world, as those that "believe with all their hearts" that they are right! These sentiments inevitably lead to the "we had to kill them to save them" mentality.

History is replete with the results of fanaticism in the form of dead bodies, many of which were murdered in the name of "Jesus Christ."

Not only Christianity but all religions, taken to the extreme, produce the same results. Far from being a positive influence in men's lives, historically, religion has had a vastly deleterious effect and cannot be defended by any means.

The single most diabolical and gruesome symbol that Christians cling to is "The Cross," an utterly abhorrent and repulsive icon to any civilized man. There is simply no torture, no method of execution, no device that assists in the slow distraction of a human body, that comes close to, "The Cross," and "Crucifixion."

However, by some method of supreme mental gymnastics, Christians have transformed this wicked representation of murder into something to be worshipped! This fact stands as the ultimate proof that Christians are totally brainwashed.

Best Wishes,

Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:30:04 +1100
From: BC
To: Acharya S

interesting...I have always considered myself the "head" of the family but never tyrannical. I have always considered patriarchy to mean fatherly, which should not be seen as bad. However I do know where you are coming from with those comments.

While I do consider myself "head" of the family, the words at the beginning of the old movie "How Green Was My Valley" have always stuck in my head...."If my father was the head of my family then my mother was surely the heart". Complementary Dualism?

I love freedom of speech and your site is brilliant. Please, never give up.

Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:56:52 -0500 (EST)
From: TR
To: Acharya S
Subject: to the most beautiful girl I've never met


please add me to your mailing list, if you still have one. Thank You!

Yours truly,

To: "From Sex to Superconsciousness"
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:32:04 -0800
From: Eric
Subject: Begone evangelists of hatred

When I was first shown "The Christ Conspiracy" I was first amazed by the bravery of the act of challenging the religious right at their ideological root, while understanding the the implications of the ideas were much larger, and that the book has larger aims.

And then I feared for the safety of its author, because of the terrorism and hatred regularly served up by the religious right.

And then I felt a little embarrassed for the all the very good Christians I have met, and...well, the Pagans, Muslims, Buddhists, or anybody who believes in those superhuman literary creations. They do have value as icons, avatars, images and memes from dreams, means of understanding life and the roles people have created for themselves. But all the superhuman stuff, the "word of god" claim, historical pretenses, all that has to be chucked as fantasy, fearful dogma, insupportable. It suits the church-state model of so many past and present civilizations. Of Iran, where men and women are arrested for dancing together at weddings. Of the Taliban, where women must wear veils. Of the various cosmetic surgeries visited upon children's genitals. Wherever church-state religious dogmas repress others. Wherever fanatics feel they have an impunity to terrorize and plunder. The pose of selflessness is too often also the most self-righteous....

From: BC
To: Acharya S
Subject: Baal - Not God
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:46:34 -0500


Actually I felt a built guilty in not sticking up for you and Freke/Gandy (The Jesus Mysteries) in a little firmer fashion in my response to Mr. ***** on alt.******, but I honestly don't have the time or inclination to get in a mud slinging match with some Mr. Know -it- all about his quibbles over the supposed deficiencies he finds in your arguments. I thought the best way to respond to Mr. ***** in my response to his post would be to reinforce the point that, regardless of what he thought to be the case 2000 yrs. later, the people with their feet on the ground at the time (and therefore the people who would really know just how extensive the pagan/Christian similarities were, i.e Justin Martyr, Tertullian et al), had to rely on the "devil made them do it before Jesus was even born" argument to defend the one true faith. If there had been any possible way for Justin Martyr and Tertullian to deny the similarities, would they not have grabbed it with both hands? I think, I made my point, because so far Mr. ***** has remained silent on the matter.

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