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From: KO
To: Acharya S
Subject: thanx!
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:43:05 -0500

I was very impressed with your book, and for me it tied together many of the loose ends concerning the evolution of Christianity. I started researching the start of the Church, reading many of the same books that you had in your bibliography, such as those by Robin Lane Fox.  To make a long story short, when ever I read something  that would prove the historic of the early Church, it came up blank. A little while back, someone asked me if I read any books on religion. "Not any more", was my reply. Yours is the first book in awhile that I've read on the subject, and it really tightens up a lot of the loose ends, like the Council of Nicea, for example, and of course the big reason--why is the Bible so incoherent?   Because it was assembled with a hidden agenda!

I remember reading in one of the apocryphal books Jesus saying something to the effect that they don't have to treat him with respect, but they should never insult the Holy Spirit.  Perhaps that was one of the last gasps of honesty of the assemblers regarding the true basis of religion!

Thank-you again for a fascinating and revealing book.

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:05:46 -0600 (CST)
From: IR
To: Acharya S
Subject: Happy new year

...I wish you a very happy and productive year with great successes in your efforts....

From: PIG
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:45:38 EST
Subject: alright..
To: Acharya S

this is not to breate you or tell you that you are going to hell. thats not a very nice thing to say to someone and in fact unChristian. The problem is that you have a kinda warped idea of what Christianity really is. There are some people who attend church and then run around killing people. They are not Christians, unless they are honestly sorry and were completely smashed and pray a lot and do charity work or something. anyways I digress. The crusades were not a prime example. A bunch of people did go around killing for God but in retrospect, that want Christian either. God does NOT want us killing people. Furthermore, on your comment on blind belief. Look up faith in the dictionary. its something you accept although you will never be able to prove it. thats why millions of people trust that there is a God and maybe you will realize his goodness someday. Im not some stoned hippie, God has really helped me through my life. And lets not hate Christians because of what they believe. we can love jesus and you can hate him but violemce is not the answer no matter what. websites like this turn into hate crimes turn into genocide. A bit paranoid but you need to be in this owrld.  So im just asking you to rethink youre statements a bit. thats all. Freedom of speech

That I have a "kinda warped idea of what Christianity really is" is just plain silly. I was born into the religion, probably many years before you were. I was also "born again" for a short time, which was like being in Hell already. I know the religion inside and out.

Actually, most of the naive believers are the ones who have the warped idea. They are spoonfed in their churches all the nice-nice stuff, and they rarely read the Bible itself. I have read it extensively, in the original Hebrew and Greek as well.

I am certainly not interested in "loving Jesus," a cartoon character that isn't even very pleasant.

You are obviously very young.  In any case, you say God has really helped you - why do you need help in the first place? What kind of God creates a creature that so desperately needs help? Just so he can help?  What not create a creature and a place for it to live that is pleasant and easy, so you don't need so much help? This creator is very incompetent.

From: TK
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 07:53:30 EST
Subject: Acharya S on Infidel Guy Radio!
To: Acharya S

Great I am still on your list. I love your work.

From: KO
To: Acharya S
Subject: unrelated(?) facts
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:14:27 -0500

Here are a few random items that reading your book made me remember and /or think about:

1. I don't think the Aryan invasion of India assumed that the natives were backward; it just showed that a more hostile force overcame them!

2. The early dates for lost civilizations and the discovery of ooparts [out-of-place-artifacts certainly show the possibility of advanced civilizations-such as those who may have left in ...UFO's. It would explain sightings of Nordic-type ET's and the passage in Congress of a law forbidding contact with UFO's that I saw on Sightings a few years ago. A law against contact with something that doesn't officially exist!

3. Change may indeed be just around the corner - according to the medieval list of St. Malachy, John Paul II is supposed to be the next-to-last pope ...did John Paul I get eliminated because he was going to spill the beans ...Mayan great age is supposed to end in 2012 ...and as one author said, Nostradamus, being a Catholic, saw the end of the world not in physical terms, but in the end of the Church. Inquiring minds want to know!

4. Lastly, regarding the Fortean Times pan--perhaps they have been subverted and made ineffective as the FBI did with the American Communist Party.

Thanks. Re the debunking of the "Aryan Invasion Theory," I will go into it in greater detail in Suns of God, using as a main source the book The Aryan Hoax (That Dupes the Indians).

Naturally, I have heard of the "Ancient Astronaut Theory" but chose not to address it in Christ Con – I take enough heat for the minor use of a number of sources. Blavatsky, for example, whose works I quote only three times, out of hundreds of quotes, but according to petty, conceited and amateur "critics" the use of her works at all is grounds to dismiss my entire book. I find the alien thesis interesting but certainly not necessary or concretely demonstrated.

From: SM
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:32:57 EST
Subject: Other Non-Mainstream Sources
To: Acharya S

Dear Acharya,

...I believe we are both members of the Light;  Someday, we may lead a Revolution in Consciousness Awareness.

To: Acharya S
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:10:30 -0800
From: BO

I gave your book to my mom, who is a big time ex-Catholic/new-found Atheist.

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:42:47 -0800
From: DS
Subject: wherefore art thou?
To: Acharya S


A couple of times I have begun to compose an email to you to cheer you on in your quest for truth. I've bought your book and read much of it. More exact to my viewpoint are some of your arguments in " ". I would argue that even if Jesus lived and got crucified, it's ridiculous to believe a benevolent god would be anything like Yahweh….

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:42:47 -0600 (CST)
From: IR
To: Acharya S

…I feel the grueling work that you have undertaken. There is a tremendous gap to fulfill in nowadays societies. To my dismay, I see that this gap increases in the recent few years, whereas in the 70's it was decreasing. This has disappointed me about the human race. I observe what is going on in the USA and in Greece as well as in other counties, and I see that we go backward instead of making progress in these issues. I am completely disappointed, and somehow I withdraw from the whole effort except for studying many good books for my own knowledge and understanding. People disappoint me everyday with their capacity of critical thinking and logic combined with their awful ignorance. Who can correct the massive brainwashing and mesmerizing of the last 2000-4000 years of faulty history???? I really admire people like you that you have the energy and the courage to fight this uneven war. I am very frustrated and just want to communicate to you some of my thoughts.

From: TAB
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:20:55 EST
Subject: Acharya S on Infidel Guy Radio!
To: Acharya S

Hi Acharya,

Keep up the good work. The ancient writers, including Philo Judaeus and Flavius Josephus talk about John the Baptist, Pontius Pilate and other New Testament characters but don't mention Jesus.  There is not the slightest bit  of evidence that anyone called Jesus ever existed. It seems to me that Paul was advocating a mystical figure based, more or less on Mithra, and an historical Jesus was reverse engineered so that Rome could dominate the new mystery cult.

Thanks. I don't believe that Philo mentions John the Baptist, and the bit about him in Josephus is likely a forgery. I cover this in greater depth in my book Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled.

From: PS
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:33:13 EST
Subject: DANG, Chang!
To: Acharya S

...Keep up the good work...Joseph Campbell had a few bad days, I'm sure. Very interested in your take on this 'mine field' you've chosen to run through. Please....get it out there. You're throwing some smokin' fastballs and have attention. Rob Breszny just gave you a great plug on his popular 'Freewill Astrology' site.

To: "From Sex to Superconsciousness"
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:36:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Craig fischer
Subject: Fwd: New Age

This God must be a real coward. Why can't he just confront me face to face and lay down the rules. Wouldn't that be easy with him being omnipresent and all? Why didn't he just set us all ablaze to begin with? What's with all the drama and suspense?

I wonder if God has sex. Maybe he just needs to get laid. The more I think about it the more I feel sorry for God. I wonder if he got picked on in high school. Do you think God has a beard? That might explain a few things. Mr. D[evil seems a whole more secure with himself.

Or maybe it's Ms. D. I'll bet she would be great in bed. God, now that's a different story. If God's a she then that might explain that fish symbol people put on their cars. Dead fish, flat on her back, eyes closed, won't get on all fours and beg. I'm thinking that hell might not be so bad.

But there will probably be a bunch of Bible thumpers down there, ruining all the fun. Maybe that's what they mean about all that weeping and gnashing of teeth. Preaching about how if we don't stop having so much fun then God's gonna send us all straight up to heaven where we'll have to listen to David play his harp, while Rev. Buckaroo picks his banjo, and Jesus chases us around smacking our asses and making us squeal like pigs. Ohh I can't wait for Deliverance.

From: HC
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 10:52:47 EST
Subject: feedback
To: Acharya S

Thank you for the insight and honesty you bring through your experience in a subject so important get overly used throughout men's spiritual history. I really benefit from reading your papers and articles, I love the fact that your straightforwardness helps to sets straight assumption. And even when you are a very well learned scholar, I also value your simple writing, makes learning enjoyable. I have been on a quest myself but my spirituality does not seem to conform to dogma; rather, I yearn for truth and insight a connection with my self, other and the universe in which we are, more than just been a 'believer.' I am constantly learning from the deep, inquiring minds of great people as yourself. May you be rewarded by your efforts and your own quest for truth. Thank you again.

P.S. I would be delighted to be informed of any lectures, projects, or if you need any voluntary help, you can count on. I want to learn more about men's spiritual nature, it seems that even as fearful, hopeless, and complex he is, his spirit is the most worthwhile nerve alive in all of us.

"A new generation grown up to find all Gods dead, all wars fought and all faiths in man shaken." -F. Scott Fitzgerald, THIS SIDE OF PARADISE

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:59:05 -0800
To: Acharya S
From: Herman Krieger
Subject: Link of possible interest

"Churches ad hoc: a divine comedy"
Satirical look at churches in America.

Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:26:12 -0700
From: NM
To: Acharya S
Subject: Your Book-in-Progress

...Of *course* I am interested in learning what your New Book is *about*  -- (but don't want to be *distracting* you from The Work).

Another bombshell *rocking* (if not utterly *blowing-away!*) the very foundations of Christianity?  (The Old Hermit still indulges in tilting at that particular windmill, himself, occasionally... -- when he reads something by one of 'em that puts him into a really ranty mood.)

Something entirely different? (As I would be more prone to suspect...)

You're a Major Voice being (however slowly or rapidly) discovered by the Larger World Out There, Acharya.

But even *light* shining into the turgid mental darkness is not perceived by the blind!

Date: AK
Subject: request
To: Acharya S

Please stop trying to pervert Scripture by taking it out of context. It offends me.

You are entitled to attack my relgion. It is your constitutional right. But turning my relgion into a straw man to attack, by twisting the truths it presents in Scripture, is nothing more than trickery to make yourself look better than you reawlly are.

Sorry, but Christians constantly take scripture out of context and "pervert" it.  I am quite obviously showing their and your hypocrisy.

"Your religion?" Did you make it up? Do you own it?  Are you its spokesperson?

"Trickery?"  Christianity is a false ideology based on Paganism, presenting itself as "divine revelation."  Nothing could be trickier.

Please stop trying to pervert the enlightenment of the human race.

Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:51:14 +0100
From: BM
To: Acharya S
Subject: Your website - great!

Hi Teacher,

Great web site. I'm not sure it is anti-religion, but it sure is anti-humbug.

You wrote: "True mastery comes when one knows that omnipresent divinity exists all around and is not localized, extending to the smallest creature, which is then to be cherished and respected." Yes! How true. And how important to keep such truths alive for generations to come.

What you oppose is what I would call bigotry, not religion. Of course, there is bigotry in every institutionalized religion (note the shift of meaning), but how else are we going to keep such truths alive, or to find new expressions of truth? If we throw out the bad, we miss the good, too; they are one. Or something like that - how difficult it is to write about such things!

Thanks again for an inspiring web site.

gnoothi seauton [AS: Gr. "Know yourself."]

From: MN
To: "Acharya S"
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:42:05 -0800

Hi Acharya,

...good gawd Acharya, how do you meet up these folks?   Like you've got all the wing-nuts and fruit-loops of the world rolling out from under the woodwork and heading in your direction.  I guess it comes along with being the person on the front end of the shit-plow.  Really admire your chutzpah in dealing with the nonsense and running flak the way you do.

Highest regards,

Thanks, lovebubble. Fortunately, as you can see from other messages, there are a handful of lovely people like you out there as well.

From: JM
To: "Acharya S"
Subject: Need HELP?
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:21:45 -0800

Hi Acharya,

First let me say that your site is one of my favorites and I have The Christ Conspiracy, which I refer to often.  Thank you so much for the all the work you've done here.

Now for the help part.  I'd like your permission to print and use "The Origins of Christianity..." strictly for something personal. We have a relative who has sent us a book to read that supposedly proves Christ and Christianity.  Needless to say it was just more of the same, Christian apologists using very flimsy evidence, IMHO.  We are planning on sending her some differing opinions along with a copy of your book and a copy of a book by Dan Barker.  I realize that your book covers Christ's origins but I sincerely doubt she would read that far so the pages on this website would probably be more useful. We are also writing our own response to the book she has sent us.

P.S. January - Is there such a thing as a  "month with two faces"?  The Roman god Janus was often shown with two faces since he was the protector of gates and doors.  His month, January, "looks two ways," back to the last year and ahead to the new one.

From: RGC
To: Acharya S
Subject: you are so beautiful to me (I'm a Joe Cocker fan)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:57:27


If the girl pictured on the truthbeknown site is really you .... Wow! And Double Wow! if she (you) really has (have) all those academic credentials.

After reading your article on the non-historicity of Jesus, I ask: Could not the various elaborations on the Sun God myth have been layered onto an actual person of whom we know nothing and of whom no historian of the time would have taken note? It seems to me there would have to be a charismatic figure, perhaps one of the many messiahs in the Levant at that time, to motivate writers to such myth-making; otherwise, what would be the point? I find it hard to believe people would try to create a new religion just for their own amusement, especially in those days, when there was no Internet or TV or churches, and thus no money to be made from it.

As for myself, I have decided to follow Jesus, because I agree for the most part with the moral teachings of the Sermon on the Mount (or in the plain, or whatever). Love your neighbour as yourself, don't covet your neighbour's wife (possible exception: unless she's as beautiful as you appear to be), turn the other cheek (up to a point; otherwise it just encourages bullies), be meek and humble (again, unless it just encourages bullies), go the extra mile (unless you're just being used), etc. -- all these are excellent precepts, whether they are found in Christianity, Buddhism, Islam or any other religion. As Christianity is a big part of my cultural background, Jesus is the one for me, and why not? His teachings are just as good as those of Buddha, Mohammed, etc., so why should I switch -- even switch to being an atheist (which I once claimed to be) who co-opts these religious precepts? If people followed these principles, I think we can agree it would be a better world -- heaven, even.

As for "cross religion", I think this is a Pauline concoction, a variation on the sacrificial tradition (including human sacrifice) of many religions, possibly emanating from times when the sun didn't shine, the crops failed and people thought it was because they had been bad boys and girls (sinners) who had offended the Sun God. How to get the sun to shine again? The answer: Let's punish ourselves (sacrifice something) to show the Sun God how sorry we are about offending Him, and maybe He'll forgive us and shine again and the crops will flourish and all will be well with the world.

So do I subscribe to your "myth" hypothesis of a non-historical Jesus of Nazareth? On this point, I have to say I'm an agnostic, as there seem to me to be counter-hypotheses. I think whenever we get into the metaphysical realm, where nothing can be conclusively proven or disproven in terms of our conception of scientific factuality, we have to, in all honesty, remain agnostic or make the proverbial "leap of faith." Our perceptual abilities are just too limited. I do believe in the duality of spirit and flesh as far as humans are concerned, that the flesh is the Petrie dish in which the spirit grows, and that the spirit, by its immaterial nature, is not subject to the death of the flesh. So maybe we'll understand it all in the sweet by and by.

One more thing: If you're right on all counts, I have no problem with that. If you're not, I have no problem with that either. (I think that about covers it, no?)

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