To: Acharya S
Subject: pissed off
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:38:04 +0000
May Goddess stand between you and harm in all the empty places where you must walk.
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:36:57 -0700
To: Acharya S
In reference to your work, I must quote the movie "Nightmare before Christmas"...
Nice work, bone daddy.
Hah! Some irony in my compliment! I am sure many Christians see you as a nightmare to their Christmas cause. Thus the quote serves as a double entendre ...
I am curious about your denial of having an agenda for publishing "History of Jesus." It would seem to me that if you really didn't have an agenda, you wouldn't bother to put so much work into it. But yet you clearly did a large amount of research, you published it to the web ... This would seem to indicate an agenda. Have you been burned by the religious...did the research of the history of Christians' behavior make you angry (understandable for sure)...or whatever? I mean, why bother? What stand up and take bullets from the religious buffoons that I am sure attack you daily? Just curious...please don't take this as a challenge at all.
And if you are willing... As a result of your work, a quest of sorts by both myself and a close friend, and the proselytizing of a Christian friend of mine, I have been discussing ... the history of Jesus. Trying to keep things light with my Christian friend, I challenged her to disprove your statement that there was no city of Nazareth in "Jesus" time.
Here is what she found out. Someone at her church answered for her. "This question (statement) was really two questions: did the town of Nazareth exist in the first century? Yes. "The second question is somewhat more difficult: 'he shall be called a Nazarene.' Unlike all other quotes from the Old Testament, there is no place in the Old Testament with this exact quote. The concept of "a vine" or "the shoot" [Hebrew = naztar is similar to what I've heard before."
Just in case you want to know what I wrote... I paraphrased/quoted you; tried to soften the words:
Bible translators have taken to rendering the title "Jesus the Nazarene" as "Jesus of Nazareth," a village that many scholars opine did not yet exist at the time of Jesus's birth. "There is no such place as Nazareth in the Old Testament or in Josephus' works, or on early maps of the Holy Land. The name was apparently a later Christian invention." As Dujardin states, "It is universally admitted that Jesus the Nazarene does not mean Jesus of Nazareth." Massey and Churchward point out that the title "Nazarene" is considered "the plant, the shoot, the natzar...the true vine."
... I guess what I am really hoping for is that you can direct me to where I can "prove" this statement being that I have come to a bit of an impasse with my friend (her "expert" says yes and my "expert" [that's you! says yes). Or are religions just utilizing the inability to disprove anything that happened so long ago to continue their stances?
I am sure you have received plenty of accolades about your work...but you made my friend (the one who is also on a quest of sorts) and me very happy when we found your web site two weeks ago. Thank you.
I have no agenda, but I do have a motive: 2,000 years of physical and emotional terrorism, torture, slaughter and soul-enslavement. The freeing of the human mind, the dislike of those who are BORG-ed - can't stand to hang around them. The fact that a lie has been allowed to fester for millennia and to deceive the people. The vile destruction of other cultures, the genocide and theft of their wealth. The ruination of the ancient world and its utterly false depiction as barbaric. The spurious notion that humans are "pathetic born-in-sin wretches," that BABIES are basically evil. That the divine is utterly separate and somewhere "out there" but not in us or the rest of creation. That the foaming-at-the-mouth Jews (as much as I dislike Judaism) cruelly mocked and murdered God. These are the lies and calumny that motivate me.
As concerns the Nazareth statement, I have basically proved it. But here it is again: There is no mention of Nazareth in the Old Testament or any texts of the first century CE. Caesarea was a port city built by Herod the Great in honor of Caesar Augustus (1st cent. BCE). It contained a site for Mithra worship. As we know, Christianity "borrowed" much of its myth and ritual from Mithraism. It seems as if "Nazareth" was transplanted, perhaps by the "priests of the order of Elkalir," sometime during the second century CE to a previously occupied site. I have not found any other reference to "Elkalir." However, "el," of course, is Semitic, i.e., Hebrew and Arabic, and "kalir" ("lightbearer") is Turkish, which would also be Arabic or Palestinian. Such would fit in nicely with the notion of transportation by an Arabian cult. As Joseph McCabe says, " ... He is also called Jesus of Nazareth from his supposed birth-place, but there is no trace of such a place in contemporaries, and the practice of modern religious writers of identifying it with the existing En-Nazira is very precarious and disputed." In addition, that inscription from Caesarea apparently is from a synagogue that dates to the third or fourth century CE, long after "Nazareth" had been created as a result of its mention in the New Testament. In other words, it is not evidence of the existence of Nazareth in the first or second centuries. Furthermore, as Frank Zindler says, "It is doubtful, however, that the inscription really mentions Nazareth."
In any case, the retort "yes" is inadequate, nor is the rest demonstrative of anything in particular. It is not incumbent upon me to disprove a claim but the claimants to PROVE it. They have not, in any ways shape or form. IT IS TIME TO GROW UP, FOLKS. We've been had.
To: Acharya S
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:59:35 PDT
Hello ... I have been reading your stuff. Nice. I think that you are one of the more concise writers on some of the subjects you tackle (Jesus)....
Any way thanks for putting so much work into your mind and letting us the people explore.
To: Acharya S
Subject: Invasion of the Jesus Videos
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:36:48 -0400
I have just finished reading a letter to the editor of our local paper. It is authored by the wife of a local pastor and calls on all Christian churches and good Christians to wake up (and I surely wish they would) and hear Jesus' personal plea for all of them to donate money to the "Jesus Video Project." This project would enable free video tapes to be sent to over 100,000 local households and allow Jesus to enter those people's lives and save them from hell fire and eternal damnation ... Sadly, there appears to be enough backing , that this might actually get done. No!! Not the saving part, just the mass mailing of the videos ... I think the money would be put to better use in feeding the hungry or an eyeglass program for the poor or helping pay a few families power bills ...
I am not a Christian, my idea of a creator is a woman (hey, I like mental images) whose only commandment is "Stop bugging me, I'm busy ... Go figure it out yourself. "
Anyway these Christians are hoping that if this is successful, they can spread the project through all America and after that the whole world ... Which immediately brought to my mind your favorite line: God is Borg - Resistance is futile. Prepare to be assimilated ... Just wanted you to know that this nightmare could be headed to a town near you. Oh, and one request: if you get a ship and decide to head off planet, will you give my wife and me a ride to the nearest non-Christian planet? I promise to be good! Shade and Sweet Water to You Always ...
If the "truth" of Jesus is SO self-evident, as blind and braindead believers wish to portray, then why does "he" need them to do ANYTHING, much less spread around cheesy videos? And why doesn't His Omnipotence come up with the dough ($$) for such endeavors, instead of milking people whose real problem in the first place is that they don't have enough money to live comfortably and happily, so they have to turn to fictitious Daddies and Sons in the sky to comfort them? If Jesus really wanted to "save the world," he should rain down upon it enough food, clothing and shelter for all of its inhabitants. This thing really is an UGLY HOAX. And these people are not only caught up in it, they are perpetuating it, with all its attendant cruelty.
Yes, I would LOVE to get off this planet of vast dementia and head to an enlightened world. I'll let ya know when I find the ark.
To: Acharya S
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:59:06 -0700
I am truly sorry that my belief in God offends you. Maybe I am just a poor ignorant fool, maybe. However, it gives me great pleasure to believe that there is some purpose to my obviously worthless life, however insignificant it may be in your worthy eyes. There is one thing I don't understand though, why would it bother you to be flamed? Doesn't really mean anything, does it? Thanks for listening. God be with you.
Actually, your belief in God doesn't offend me, other than it is useless in determining God's "reality."
It isn't a question of "having worth" - nonbelievers find the worth in themselves, generally much more than believers. Believers, in fact, must consider themselves worthless pieces of trash in the face of a glorious God somewhere "out there," separate and apart from the rest of creation. Therefore, there is no divinity in creation, not in you or me - we are just pathetic born-in-sin losers.
If you hadn't been artificially separated mentally and emotionally from the divine from birth by priests, parents and the like, you would not "believe" in God. You would know yourself as part and parcel of creation, which contains in it the quality of divinity. Knowing oneself as the totality is the only "worth"; the rest is self-deprecation.
Why would it bother me to be flamed? Why would it bother you if someone came into your living room and took a shit?
May the Goddess be with you. And may you realize that YOU are "God."
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 15:37:09 EDT
To: Acharya S
In my search for "more," I stumbled upon your site. Not only am I pleased with the content, I am impressed that someone with such a wonderfully attractive "vessel" has the cajones (figuratively speaking, of course) to pursue truth! My e-mail is simply an attempt to increase my dialogue with like-minded souls ...
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:31:44 +0700
To: Acharya S
Subject: Want to get Book
I am a man from Indonesia. I have read "The Origins of Christianity." Excellent and very interesting book. I want to read The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold.... Thank you and best regards.
To: Acharya S
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:53:00 PDT
You must get a lot of e-mail, but I felt it necessary to make a few points, myself.
1. You have a fantastic site. I am impressed.
2. I loved your put-downs of Islam and Christianity.
3. Your Judaism quotes site was not really right, in the sense that what you said was not totally true. (I am Jewish, as you might guess). Not that I haven't had some similar thoughts about some aspects of Judaism, because I have. But some parts and quotes are not really accurate and taken out of context.
4. Jews are still a minority and living among a possibly angry majority consisting of the other religions. Jews are vulnerable to continued pogroms and arrests, murders and blood libels. Reflect of the arrest and possible execution of 22 Iranian Jews this year, for nothing more than being Jewish.
5. Some inaccuracies and out-of-context quotes from your web site may be used by such bigots to slander and hurt Jews.
6. Let me give some examples of quotes from Jewish sources which you take out-of-context and thus change the intended meaning. You quote "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal. Sanhedrin 59a" This is simply not true, it does not say this anywhere on this page. This section of the Talmud talks about the Seven Mitzvos of Bnei Noach, the seven universal commandments. "Do Not Murder" is one of these commandments. Your quote is simply not accurate, and it may be used by anti-semites to justify anything which they want to do to Jews.
7. You quote the Torah "For you are a people holy to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that are on the face of the earth. Deuteronomy 7:6 ". Yes, Jews are "chosen", but for what? We believe that we are chosen to lead a righteous, caring, loving, and all those good things, type of life, and be a "light to the nations" by leading a good example. Your quote, taken out of context, may be interpreted to mean that Jews believe that they are "better" than other people, and that Jews can justify whatever from this quote. This is not true. We are all created in the image, and we are all created equal, and these are really Jewish concepts. Jew and gentile are equal in the eyes of God. Just that He asked the Jews to strive to be better in scholorship [!, justice, law, etc.
8. You quote "We beg Thee, O Lord, indict Thy wrath on the nations not believing in Thee, and not calling on Thy name. Let down Thy wrath on them...Talmudic prayer said on the eve of Passover (Pranajtis: Christianus in Talmudae Judeorum, quotations from: Synagoga Judaica". Not true at all. I have never seen this "prayer". It is false, and may be used by people of evil intent to justify attacks on Jews.
9. You quote "The estates of the Goys are like wilderness, who first settles in them has a right to them. Talmud, Baba Batra, 14 b " This is taken way out of context. Have you ever learned Talmud? The format of the text is not like other, modern texts. It is written in very condensed format. For example, this quote. Previously, the text is talking about inheritance. What to do if a landowner dies and who inherits his estate, usually a farm. After a discussion of what to do when a Jew dies, and how to distribute to his heirs, the text continues to the case where a gentile convert has died, and how to distribute his farm. Now, the law is that when a gentile converts to Judaism, he cuts off his relationship with his relatives, and becomes like an orphan. In other words, he has no heirs. This law you do not quote anywhere in your "rant". So when the goy convert dies, he has no heirs and therefore, the first one to occupy the farm acquires it. So, you see, that there is much more to the quote than your out-of-context copy.
10. I could go on and on, and expain just about all of your quotes, but what is the use? Do you understand that you may be causing the harm of innocent people with your rants? I would not mind the rants, but it puts Jews in danger. It is needless, and for no purpose.
11. Some other quotes may be in context, but what about the status of the speaker? You should understand that much of our literature does not have the status of "chiseled in stone" or any other authority, but is just the exaspirated moans of a depressed individual. The Talmud is full of quotes of Rabbis who have no authority, but the thought is kept on record in a sprit of free speech. Such a quote "Tob shebbe goyyim harog - Even the best of the Goyim (Gentiles) should be killed. Soferim 15, Rule 10" Yes, someone once said that. It does not have the authority of law, infact, it is rejected by Jewish law. Yet, the quote is kept on the books, in order that the IDEA be discussed in seminaries or yeshivas.
12. You quote "The customs of the Jews are base and abominable and ... Roman Historian Tacitus" So? A Roman hates Jews. What does this say about Judaism? What does this say about the Roman? Why inclulde such rants on your rant?
And, No, I did not think you were a old man when I started reading your web site. Before I saw your picture, I thought you were a female, but the picture in my mind was not as attractive as you appear in the photo. But, I am sure that you know that you are attractive. ;)
I approve of your free thinking, and generally approve of your site and what you say on it. I do not approve of taking all of these out-of-context quotes, and infering that this is the intent of Judaism. The quotes may be used to justify the harming of Jews, and I am sure that you would not be in favor of that.
Jews have been, in general, on the receiving end of man's inhumanity to man, as has been proven throuout history. Please do not add to that!
One parting thought regarding religions. With all of your other quotes, you did not quote the Perkei Avos famous saying "If not for the fear of Heaven, people would swallow each other alive." Besides being the source of much violence, religion has been the motivation of much good in our world. And I include all religions in this thought. You make no mention of this. Religion, used correctly, can be a source of love, peace, and good will between people. This I belive. Religion, used correctly, can restrict people from doing harm or violence. I also believe this. By your advocating the abandonment of religion, you close the door on this motivation for good and restriction of evil. And hasn't much more violence been done NOT IN THE NAME OF RELIGION?
Anyway, I have written more here than i intended to at the start. Hope that you have taken the time to read it all, and maybe take at least some of it to heart.
Thanks for stopping by. Glad you enjoyed the bashing of other religions.
However, I don't play favorites. Am I endangering Christians and Muslims by attacking their ideologies? Or is it simply Jews? Why would that be so? And since Christianity and Islam are essentially offshoots of Judaism, is attacking them much different? Only because people have set themselves against each other via religion.
Furthermore, it should be clear that if I've done a "fantastic" job with the Christian/Muslim stuff, I haven't erred with the Jewish stuff.
The quotes you mention are in the SONCINO edition of the Talmud, the unexpurgated version. Apparently you are being taught the expurgated version, which would still have an "o" for "oral tradition" where the portion has been removed.
Much of my information comes from "Jewish" people who broke away from their cult conditioning in favor of simply being human beings - including an EX-LUBAVITCHER (orthodox Jew), who confided in me that his life was ruined by "his" cult - see the message from him below. A dear friend, now deceased, who escaped from the HASSIDIC cult, much to the dismay of her father the RABBI, has clued me in on many horrendous things, especially as regards women, including how women are in a state of Niddah, i.e., filth, when they menstruate, and must go through the most ridiculous and oppressive shenanigans in order to become "pure" so that their husbands will have sex with them.
The fact is that the Bible is NOT "God's Word" and that the Jews are NOT chosen, to be set above everyone else, with their self-righteousness and pompous piety. It doesn't seem as if you have even read the OT, which is a chronicle of blood, horror, genocide and perversion committed by "the chosen." You're PROUD to be a part of that?!
The "taken out of context" argument is also not valid - so I guess I'm taking all those quotes about Christianity and Islam out of context, but you don't seem to mind that.
Sorry, but whatever "good" religion has done is in spite of it, and that quote you give, "FEAR of heaven," simply validates such. It perpetuates the notion that humans are horrible creatures who need to be controlled. Babies are demonic, i.e.? Religion is the propitiation of a monstrous god creature somewhere ("fear heaven") - it is essentially barbaric. Of course it can't be 100% foul. As the sage once said, "Even a broken clock strikes the right time twice a day." And NO, religion has been THE source of most of the violence in the world. People who are innately decent - that is what I discuss. Religion actually fosters indecency. You are stating that the majority of humans are so braindead and immoral that the fear of being punished is the only thing holding them back from being evil. Sorry, but I was born innately decent and honest. I didn't need any of this garbage, nor does my cat. Enlightened people do not follow religions. They are autonomous and know inherently right from wrong. People who need outside enforcement are not innately righteous - which makes them dangerous.
To: Acharya S
Subject: THANK YOU FROM HAWAII !
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:12:00 -1000
... Thank you again. You are helping to make the world a safer, brighter place.
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:33:37 EDT
To: Acharya S