To add to the above, we might cite Justin's recollection of Jesus' encounter regarding paying taxes to Caesar in his First Apology, chapter XVII. Not only words of Jesus are recalled here, but also the situation he was in. If Justin did not get this story from a written source, then where did he get it?
Given all this, Acharya, where is the scholarly basis for your assertions in this footnote? I don't suppose you would dare to reprint this mail in your " " section... that section is apparently only reserved for people who gush praise to your name. But who knows - you may surprise me!
I started to write a LONG webpage addressing the Justin Martyr issue, but then I thought, why bother? I'm basically doing all this for free. If you would like to pay me, I will complete it. In short, Justin does not quote from any of the four canonical gospels. His reference to the "memoirs" applies to any of the numerous gospels that were in circulation at his time, some of which - such as the "Gospel of Matthew," a nonhistoricizing text of sayings - were later used by the canonical gospel writers, which is why these sayings you quote are similar. Justin is NOT referring to the four gospels as they are found in the canon. The evidence, both biblically and from the church fathers, that these gospels did not exist can be provided in heaps, but the best book on the subject of the gospel dating is Judge Waite's History of the Christian Religion to the Year Two Hundred.
As should be obvious, I have studied the writings of the early Church fathers extensively. They are quite deranged and dishonest in their arguments.
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:05:38 -0500
Subject: Excellent thinker
To: Acharya S
Congratulations. You seem to be one of the few "real human beings". Great writing. Thanks.
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:25:14 EDT
To: Acharya S
I was hoping you could help me out. A christian friend of mine asked me to read Peter Kreeft book "Love is Stronger than Death" and I have been trying to find a Rational review of the book. Do you have any idea where I might find one. I am not trying to influence you to help me but you are certainly the loveliest and most well-read female I have ever come across on the internet. So you are probably the most intelligent as well. I guess I had to try. If you have the time and the inclination I would deeply appreciate any info you can pass on to me. Kreeft is really strange. How can anyone think that this life is merely an embronic stage of the next one?
Thanks! Try a search at infidels.org
To: Acharya S
Subject: The Christ Conspiracy
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:27:55 -0000
I just finished your book and thought it was great. I have recommended it to many people who I know have purchased it. I hope it becomes a bestseller in an attempt to bring this to the attention of the lay people who seem to be the victims of millennia of lies.
I am in awe of how many people are clueless to the truth.
Unfortunately, today's organized religion seems to be "The best they are capable of receiving" which doesn't say much for the masses.
Regards and keep up the great work!
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:00:06 -0500
To: Acharya S
Just finished reading CC. Wow...great job! Now I can put all that junk behind me.
On page 410 it says:
"...but to understand the gnosis behind it [the mythos is to become wise."
Can you recommend some books and/or web sites that delve into the gnosis? It would be great to publish such a list on your web site and e-mail list.
Thank you! Actually, my entire book is the gnosis. In other words, that the solar mythos and ritual, which constitute part of the mysteries. For more on that part of the mysteries, you can see my Christ Con links as well.
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 02:00:38 EDT
To: Acharya S
It is really sad that you have rejected Christ. The historical evidence is truly overwhelming regarding who Jesus is and what he did. He does love you and there is still time to change your mind. Consider that maybe you are mistaken about what you perceive the truth to be. Jesus really is the son of God. He is the way, the truth and the life. He is the true light and he already has forgiven you. All you have to do is believe. You have a lot of so called facts. But known of your facts can explain why you are here. They cannot explain the world we live in or the heavens above us. Only God can explain those really tough questions. God has reached out to us through Jesus. Every other so called religion is us as self centered people reaching out to the God we created in our image. There is a difference.
Again, by its fruits you shall know it, and Christianity's fruits are revolting - and incredibly annoying in their ignorance and arrogance. It is really sad that you have rejected Krishna! You can't just say, "the evidence is overwhelming" - I could easily say the same thing about Zeus and Hercules! Show it to me. If you'd studied the issue, you would have discovered there is no historical evidence for Jesus Christ.
Date: 05/17 9:56 PM
To: Acharya S
Great book. It answered so many questions. I am very relieved with the answers. Now I have more questions. Is Hebrew really a development from Egyptian? Is that where they learned to write? Is Egypt the origin of Gnostic belief?
Thanks again. Looking for more.
To: Acharya S
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:41:26 +0200
Now I am unconverted. hehe.. ;)
Good page .....
To: Acharya S
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:02:55 -0700
... I would just like to say your site just blew me away. As someone who was taken to church every Sunday, but who can't remember ever believing any of the propaganda, it thrilled me to find out the historical and mythological basis of "the greatest story ever sold." (And really, it's not that great a story with all the contradictions and rehashed plot.) I was also wondering if you thought that the Jesus myth hand any positive lessons in it for humanity as long as it is recognized as myth?
Anyway I look forward to getting your book and would like encourage you to keep it up.
Big Love (in a platonic sort of way since I don't even know you),
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:02:11 -0700
To: Acharya S
Subject: Why Debunkers and Skeptics are Dogmatic and Dull
Granted, many skeptics are dull - kind of in the same way many paranormalists are nutty. In any case, it is difficult to see why believing in make-believe mysteries makes one un-Dogmatic or un-Dull.
Debunking is fun, a lot more fun than credulity. You seem to agree, at least with respect to the fairy tale of Jesus. The only difference between us is that I am skeptical about the other fairy tales too, including the "unexplainables" on your list, each of which is no more or less explainable than the resurrection of Christ. The real mystery is why you can't see that.
Well, now, you didn't have to go and insult me after actually making me think. You're right - it's a bit of a paradox, but I'm simply not a hardcore skeptic with all bizarre or metaphysical occurrences. I've had too many "psychic" experiences, and there ARE compelling mysteries that do not fit in with the hardcore skeptical perspective. Your conclusion that everything is readily explainable is a bit overarching, no?
To: Acharya S
Subject: Why was/is mythos necessary?
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:18:11 -0700
Dear Acharya S,
My husband and I really enjoyed your book. Perhaps my knowledge of philosophy is greatly lacking but I am asking why was this world-wide mythology so important? I always wondered why the Greeks had their stories and the Norse and so forth; the explanation that astrology was necessary for planting and sailing seems incomplete but the only mystical explanations I know also seem strange (God is manifesting in the sun). Your book was very well written and I remember reading some of your sources a long time ago. You have left me to now try to figure out just who it is that I have sometimes "spoken" with on a pyschic level. After about three years of thinking about it I finally saw a definition of the Christ Force or Christ that I can live with (it sunk in when I read it but I can't think of how to succintly put it right now); something from the A.R.E. people about the individuation of the God force as it applies to you/me. Anyway, this may not be of interest to you; if you have time to explain to me my question on the necessity of mythos or the greater meaning or speculations, I would appreciate it.
Thanks! The mythos was important, as I have attempted to explain, because it constituted an explanation of the workings of the cosmos, particularly this solar system, which allowed for order on planet Earth. As regards your personal experience, people have been having similar experiences around the globe for eons, based on any number of gods and goddesses. Which means that you perceive through your cultural conditioning.
To: Acharya S
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:02:33 -0500
You have created a most wonderful resource, I must admit that I find your "Bible Truths" section to be the most mind-boggling thing to look at. It truly makes the reader believe that Christianity is the most dangerous cult ever created and maintained. Thanks for a valuable resource!
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 04:36:07 EDT
Subject: Spot On
To: Acharya S
Paul, in his own words, was teaching "another Jesus", ie. a completely spiritual entity. An historical Jesus, who handed directly his authority to Peter, had to be constructed by the Church in Rome in order to create a basis for assuming leadership of the Christian churches that had flourished in the late first and early second centuries. People might say, "So what?" All religions have mythical origins but Christianity happens to be the worst. Its use of violence, superstition and guilt, especially guilt about our innate sexual nature, have held back mankind's spiritual development for 2000 years.
Keep up the good work. I admire your scholarship and courage.
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 01:02:35 -0700
Subject: The Disease Is Intolerance
To: Acharya S
Fellow Members of the Human Race,
I happened upon this site by accident, or perhaps not, as I do believe in a divine order. To this date, I have not been able to produce or even comprehend the forces behind some of what I see around me, here in this place where we all live. I therefore need to concede to my self the possibility that there is something bigger than me, and at moments, it reveals a stunning perfection and design as it is revealed. This is my experience, not for you to judge, just something I choose to share as part of my truth. Having read the letters posted here, I feel moved to share also another truth I hold in my personal perception of this world. I think perhaps some of the most dangerous people on this earth are those with the disease of intolerance, and ignorance, and they cannot be so easily recognized or classified by their faith or lack of, their sex, the color of their skin, their nationalities. The lack of tolerance for those who do profess Christian beliefs is not unlike the blind and generalist condemnation of the Jewish people by Hitler. He, like many of you, removed the individuality from a sweeping condemnation, likening "the Jews" to a mindless, moronic "herd" of cattle, and it was by this generalization, that he erased the value and beauty of an individual human lives and succeeded in the slaughter of innocent men, women and children, you see, he, like you, spoke invidiously of his fellow humans, as though he could, and I hear you, claim superiority in your right to believe as you do, above that of another living being. This has always been the thinking of men and women who lead others to mass condemnation and prejudice against others. To categorize Christianity as a "disease" is no different than Hitler's assessment of the Jewish people. A large population not to be considered equal, but inferior, diseased, not intelligent, how red neck and ignorant can you be?
Hatred is powerful, and in mass, it is dangerous, and always, always, the result of intolerance and ignorance. Some of the proclamations and blanket statements, if considered intelligently and OBJECTIVELY, would reveal to a logical mind, that the very behaviors that you condemn in others, are precisely the ones you yourselves are engaging in. Many Christians actively profess judgment and disapproval of homosexuality: how is this behavior different than your judgment and disapproval of Christians? Is not this a case of the Kettle calling the Pot black? Please tell me how one group can be right and the other wrong? In my humble opinion, both are extremist behaviors, fueled by fear, ignorance and intolerance combined with a poisonous thread of selfish superiority towards another Human Being. As if either could be right. Remember, if you aint part of the solution, YOU are the problem, if other people, of any race, faith, whatever bother you, they are not the problem, your attitude towards them is, and my friends, intolerance is the disease here. Get A Life, and then you won't need to spend all of your time judging and condemning someone else's. Talk about self-righteous? You are more self righteous than ANY Christian I ever met, not to mention completely hypocritical. A dangerous mix just, like some "Christians" I hear you claiming to be so much better than, YAH... like that argument holds up under any kind of objective, intelligent observation. You have become the thing you condemn in others- Now that is surely the sign of real intelligence! (Especially your inability to see it.) Life is short- don't waste it with this kind of idiocy, how is it possible that your ideas are the ONLY right ones, that is just slightly ridiculous as well as presumptuous, wouldn't you say? Not to mention exactly the kind of thinking you accuse others of. Face it, hate just does not look good on anybody, it is a self defeating action, acid always damages the container far more than the object it is intended to destroy? Get it? It is true for every one- Christians, Sexists, Atheists, Homosexuals, EVERYONE- That's MY Truth- I AM:
A Fellow Earth Inhabitant, Sickened by the pollution of hatred and intolerance and ALL who are guilty of it. Wouldn't it be easy if we could just blame ONE group of people for it? Like say... the Christians! Yeah, they are the ones to blame, or no maybe... it's those darned Hindus!, No, No, I've got it, it's the Agnostics, They ARE the problem, yeah, let's all hate them! Uh huh, let's just completely de-humanize them by clumping them all together in this one definition that explains why they are idiots and we are so smart and superior to them.... Then we could convince everyone else to blame them too and just get rid of them! I know this is way above your thought processing abilities, but I feel better, BECAUSE, if you have the editorial fairness to post it, which I sincerely doubt you do, given your basic way of viewing any one who believes contrary to you, maybe, just maybe, I can turn one of your readers away from hate, and towards the cure. It is the only hope for the future. Your ideas are not original, they are the ideas of all notorious bullies through out history- just different names and objects of inferiority- Same game, different target. If you want to do something really impressive, why don't you go make an oak tree, since you are soooo superior, that would show em! Those darned Hindus, Who do they think they are? Oh no wait, I forgot, we were mad at who now? Oh that's right, the Black people, no, no, the Christian Black people, no? All Christians, black, white, Korean, German, all those people that we are soooo much better than. Come ON- It is the year 2000, bigotry and prejudice should be OVER!
Hoping you think more clearly sometime in your life time-
So, let me see. You have been unable to comprehend what is around you, yet you know enough to arrogantly lecture me and the other "members of the human race?" In your "humble" opinion? Pompous bombast would be a better description. "Get a life?" Pot calling the kettle black, indeed. Self-righteous? Ditto. Hypocritical? Likewise. Geez, lady, you're attacking me by describing yourself. What an amusing loop we're in. In fact, it sounds like you talking to yourself. That's very funny. Seriously - as I was attempting to respond to your bilious and hateful rant, I kept coming up with the same epithets you are tossing all over me. You call me a bully, while bullying me endlessly! You say, "acid always damages the container," and here you are intolerantly and bitterly ranting at me, comparing me to Hitler, telling me basically not to exist! Talking about a lack of self-awareness! You're barfing your own psyche all over the place - I guess you were just looking for a convenient spot of grass.
I certainly will be intolerant of ruthless and vicious ideologies that are destroying humankind, as much as I will be intolerant of a child-rapist or murderer. You seem to be intolerant of people who do not tolerate bullshit. You certainly must be intolerant of Nazis, by your use of that cheap-shot comparison, your insults - apparently you hate ME! - and your air of superiority. I guess you are therefore diseased!
So, Hitler's very bad for ending all those "beautiful individual human lives," but the slaughter by (other) Christians worldwide is perfectly fine? Is it a question of time passing between slaughters? Then in the few decades, Nazism will considered peachy keen, because, as in Christianity, the killing is in the past? (Not really, since Christianity is still killing.) And you - the great champion of tolerance - will no doubt stand up for any future Nazis? The kinder, gentler version - the "real" Nazis?
If you're attempting to defend Christianity, you've just succeeded in proving that it creates mental illness. As Bill Hicks might say (I can't resist), "Fucking gross!" Oh, that was fun! No, folks, I swear I didn't write that myself.
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:54:44 EDT
Subject: The Naked Truth.....
To: Acharya S
I'm not sure how your web site came to be book marked in my favorite files but I find it quite interesting. Do you have children and if you would care to share, what is your age (in this current life)? My life has been a never ending search to understand what is reality and separate fact from myth. I have also undertaken a very deep and profound journey to discover who "I really Am!" Needless to say this has caused a large rift within my family and friends, but I have become stronger from the struggle...
:) Nah, I'm not gonna reveal my age. Children? What's that?
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:46:55 -0700
To: Acharya S
Subject: Hi and Request
I am reading your book on Christ and find it very helpful, amusing, useful and interesting I want to read more, particularly about the Astrology-Christianity mapping in rituals, etc and Christ as Sun-God stuff. You list a lot of books, which I'm sure are all good, but could you suggest one or two in this area that stand out?