...If I have inferred incorrectly and have descended into condescension again, it isn't intended. I am making an inference from what you have written when I make the above statement about being angry at other people's ignorance and stupidity. The reason I do this is because I believe I recognize myself in you, and how angry I used to be at how others manipulated religion. That kind of manipulation of religion can only be done by people who are no longer familiar with God/dess at any level, therefore, I respectfully disagree with you about the divinity which resides within all humanity. We are all being distracted from the silence we need to allow God/dess to enter our consciousness, and it is my belief that this is how S/he manifests Herself to us, but most aren't able to receive Her. I think you might even agree with that except, and I infer here again, that your belief is that God/dess is generated in our minds only, and that S/he manifests Herself in no other way, for example, in a spiritual way. And here we get into the issue of where God/dess emanates from, which is rather like debating the existence and nature of infinity, IMHO... I further infer that you don't believe in a spiritual world, only what is material, the world which can be seen, with the exception of your own thoughts, and possibly the thoughts of others that can be validated through the material world, and that is what has convinced you that there is nothing beyond life as we perceive it here. All my own inferences, just trying to clarify your belief system, not judging it or you.
As the legend says of Buddha, when I became enlightened, I realized the whole world as being enlightened. I approach everyone else as being enlightened buddhas, until they prove me wrong, which they often do.
Very well said, and I have enjoyed our exchange and have learned from it. I apologize if some of my inferences were disrespectful, that isn't how they were intended. I hope learn to avoid doing that in the future. I do feel that an enlightenment is going on worldwide, and that God/dess will make Herself known to all in Her own good time. I am not claiming Divinity for myself as yet;-), as having been created by that which is Divine doesn't necessarily imply that what evolves from it will also be Divine. (Although in our infancy we may have been, and I refer here to our original state as organic material on the earth before we attained a certain level of consciousness.) I am quite aware of the Jesus Seminar work. There is no way to validate any of the handful of sayings as coming from a historical person, Jesus or otherwise. In fact, these sayings PROVE that Jesus Christ is a myth, as they are part of Sayings of the Lord found within mystery schools for millennia prior to the Christian era.
Jesus (assuming he was real, that is) was probably very familiar with many of those teachings. (History of God, Karen Armstrong, a good read on these, and I've read quite a few others on the Eastern influence.) But I do think that the Seminar made a good case that the person of Jesus (if he did indeed exist) had a rather unique style of presentation/delivery, albeit many of his teachings had been expressed by others before him.
To reiterate, my point is not that those who don't believe in God/dess are somehow less complete than those who sincerely do. And it's certainly not to try and prove Her existence beyond that which most of us can comprehend, to me that is as futile as trying to prove to everyone that She doesn't exist beyond space and time and all the other limitations of creation as we know it. What is it then, you may well ask - I think it's only the point I made earlier, to be aware of any anger at humanity that may be shaping your perceptions of the nature and existence of God/dess
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:32:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Your comments would very much be appreciated regarding the work of Glenn Kimball - Thanks
To: Acharya S
...for the sake of truth, would you please contact Jeff [Rense] and see to it that he gets the facts straight. There is a great deal at stake regarding the veracity of this issue.
If it's any consolation, as a former staff member, for over seven years, of the Council for a Parliament of the World's Religions, it pains me to witness the continuing realities of actions done in the name of Religion. Unfortunately, it appears that nature affords escape from such a matrix only one person at a time and never a group. If even one person can achieve freedom, then potentially, it would be possible for all the rest - and therein lies the hope for a better tomorrow. It helps to remember that human beings are a work in progress...
Thanks again for your reply. It is much appreciated.
All the best,
Jeff Rense has not been very welcoming towards me, for reasons I can't begin to fathom, especially since he's repeatedly had Jordan Maxwell and David Icke on his show. Tant pis pour lui.
To: Acharya S
Subject: something to think about
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:08:47 -0400
Regarding your web site, you use many extrabiblical sources in order to try to show that Jesus is a myth and the Bible cannot be trusted. May I ask why you believe these extrabiblical sources that contradict the Bible are to be trusted more than the Bible itself? It seems that you simply assume what you are trying to prove. That is, at the outset you assume the Bible's claims are false and you assume that every other document which asserts teachings contrary to the Bible must be true. Then you come to the conclusion that on the basis of all your extra biblical material the Bible must be fiction. But again, why do you trust extra biblical material and yet do not believe the claims of the Bible? It seems that you have a presupposition that the Bible simply cannot be true.
You may rightly respond by claiming that it seems I have a presupposition that the Bible *is* true. You are correct. I presuppose the truth of God's Word. It is true because God wrote it. Yes, this is circular reasoning. In fact, everyone reasons in a circle when they get down to their presuppositions. By definition, ultimate presuppositions can have no basis and thus you must reason in a circular manner in order to demonstrate their rationality. For example, consider the logical law of Modus Ponens which asserts "If A=B and B=C, then A=C." This law cannot be proven true because in order to do so you would have to assume its truth at the outset. However, this law is true because of the impossibility of the contrary. It is true because if it were false, nobody would be able to reason about anything; knowledge and communication would be impossible. The same is so with the Word of God. The Bible is true because of the impossibility of the contrary. It is true because if it were false, one could not make sense out of the world about us. If the Christian God did not exist, there would be no basis for laws of logic, science, and ethics.
But you see, my presupposition provides the necessary basis for laws of logic, ethics, and science. Your antichristian worldview does not. My presupposition even explains why people like you seek to disprove the Bible Rom1:21 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." The Bible teaches that you know God in your heart but you suppress that knowledge and try as hard as you can do deceive yourself that the Christian God is not real."
Again, I ask you why you biased against the truth of the Bible?
Groan. Please, in the name of intelligence, logic and common sense, give me a break! "If the Christian God did not exist, there would be no basis for laws of logic, science, and ethics?" Absolutely, positively asinine.
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:11:24 -0500 (CDT)
To: Acharya S
Subject: Thank you
I love your site, and cannot understand why anyone with a functioning mind would be offended by it. But, of course, that is the problem, isn't it? Most of the people walking around (especially here in the U.S.) don't have functioning minds.
I have bookmarked your site read a great portion of it already, and will be passing the URL out to everyone I know.
I live in Texas, and as "enlightened" as it likes to portray itself, it is still so full of self-righteous religious zealots that I am almost afraid to walk out the door sometimes, knowing full well that I am going to have someone, before the day is done, in my face trying to "save" me because I have tattoos, purple hair, and wear a star around my neck instead of an instrument of brutal and sadistic torture and murder.
Anyway, I didn't intend to go off on a tangent about the "evils" faced every day, still, here. I just wanted to say thank you, yours is one of the very few websites I have found that seems to speak my mind. ;-)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:33:37 -0500
To: Acharya S
Subject: thank you thank you thank you!!
I love your site! As some one whose family has been horribly divided by religious bigotry and one-upmanship, it is so rewarding to find a sane person expressing rational thoughts with no fear.
Now, if only I was brave enough to tell my brother where your site is...
To: Acharya S
Subject: Hi from Australia
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:15:46 +1000
I hate to "bore" you with another e mail complimenting you on your book The Christ Conspiracy. Unbelievable.!!! There was too much documentation. Too many references. Brilliant stuff....
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 03:09:17 EDT
Subject: I'm impressed...
To: Acharya S
I am successfully trying to "unbrainwash" a good fried of mine who sadly want into Islam/Muslim etc.... thank you
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:32:40 EDT
Subject: Jesus Christ is a myth
To: Acharya S
...Clearly they see you as an easier target, less of a threat, since you're a beautiful female...I have been tempted to ask that crazy fuck if he'd be so forceful in his attacks if you were a 60-something and balding MALE professor somewhere...I HIGHLY doubt it!
So from what you say this assmuncher sorta' stalked you right? Calling your college and all that...that verges on the obsessed...what a dick!
To: Acharya S
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:40:04 +0100
I have just added a Link to your site, on mine Your site is probably one of the best I have found for info on the subject of objectively proving religions (especially Christianity) to be based on nonsense.
To: Acharya S
Subject: site mirroring?
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:10:08 -0700
Acharya, I just found your site 2-3 weeks ago. I was a little panicked when it was hacked. If you are considering letting others mirror your site put the word out. I'm not sure how much of an investment would be involved (a lot would depend on the expected traffic and the security desired) but I could look into it. I am ordering your auto'd book today. I gave my daughter printouts of many of your pages. She is very intelligent, and you, a beautiful woman who thinks, make a good role model.
Thanks! My site was never hacked, just a number of server problems.
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:38:46 -0500
To: Acharya S
Hello Acharya, I am a male in my seventh decade. Until two years ago when I found your web site, I had been afflicted with all of the isms connected with religion. I have read every thing on your site including your book as well as many of your recommended readings. Your humour and precision with a scalpel are wonderful. Please don't grow weary with what you are doing. A bird on wing
Thank you for your lovely comments. I guess you could tell I have grown weary. I can get very frustrated, as you can tell. But it takes quite a bit, for which restraint I am not given much credit. In any case, I'm delighted I have been of some use, and that my "humour and precision" have not been lost on somebody, at least! Thanks again.
To: Acharya S
Subject: Jesus Mysteries
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:21:17 -0500
Greetings, Have you read The Jesus Mysteries by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy? I have been a fan of yours and I was wondering if you were familiar with their work also?
I recently asked a minister who was sitting next to me at the symphony after he was telling me of his travels to the Holy Land over the summer; the Jesus Seminar has concluded that 82% of the Jesus sayings, he did not say, what do you preach on Sundays? I got a blank stare.
To: Acharya S
Subject: I just wanted to let you know...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:51:05 -0600
I just wanted to let you know that I loved your book. My mother is a hard-core "born again" (as if that were possible) Christian. I have pretty much devoted my life to the search for the truth since I was 16. I find it strange how people use logic and reason in their everyday life and yet choose to abandon it when it comes to religion. Thanks for the book. And by the way, as far as history goes, I have yet to find a Christian who can give me a definitive answer on God's view on dinosaurs! LOL
To: Acharya S
Subject: The Christ Conspiracy: true!
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:21:23 +0400
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I found a shortened version of your book somewhere on the internet. I can't recall where but I followed it and your conclusion is that for all religions, the road leads back to worship of the Sun, or the Zodiac? I like to think about things logically and your book and your train of thought seems to be logical.
However, it does not explain why so many people of this world for so many centuries have been in the tight grip of religion? So have you read The Protocols or The International Jew? Also do you have any opinion on David Icke and the direction he is going?
You seem to encourage a lot of New Age type ideas. I am sorry if I am guessing but if one doesn't believe in Almighty God, or a Creator, what then? Vibrations?
Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions...
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:11:27 -0500
Subject: Re: To: Acharya S
My comment on weariness was exhortation and not observation. When you are on the cutting edge of changing emotional belief systems, the trailing edge creates a lot of drag. You have convinced me that we must transcend all organizations and ideas that involve control and manipulation if we are to survive. I intend to use your web site to educate my wife and daughters and son as well as other people to be free. So keep on keeping on.
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:20:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: your website
To: Acharya S
...I don't care if you attack the Jewish religion, which is as disgusting a mess of lies as any....
On closer examination of your website, I do *not* believe you are an antisemite, and I apologize for any remarks I made which indicate otherwise. But still, a more critical examination of your own material might be in order.
"Anti-Semite" is a misnomer designed to make those who disagree with the chauvinism of Judaism appear to be "racists." The vast majority of "Semites" are not Jewish but Arab, and the vast majority of Jews are not Semites.
To: Acharya S
Subject: A DARE...Reply to this.
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:20:21 +0200
This turned out longer than anticipated, so good luck. It does get heavy towards the end, but hey, I blame it on you.
Firstly, I hope all is well. This is my first responce to a web site, so I hope you guys do actually bother reading this stuff.
There is a level on which I agree with you completely, and on that level, from all the angles. I dislike "Christianese" phrases spoken by people who have nothing useful or relevant to say. These are the people who do perhaps the most damage, after tasting something good they try to tell everybody, and most of us don't really care. It's meaningless and seems to steal something from us. But they feel obliged for whatever reason.
I also disagree with the methods they use to get converts, pinching from each other and the general pot of society/humanity. You were absolutely correct by referring to it as brainwashing. The repetition and speed of speech used by these stand up and ask for money types. Or the guys that target students. But students are poor, they say! But students are the future breadwinners.
Let me also say here that I don't believe conspiracy theories. There is no need for the Illuminati or Freemasons or anybody else to cause wars, civil unrest and whatever else is attributed to them. People do it. Because they suck, and it's easier to pass the blame on to some mysterious secret society, and not have to say, "what the fuck did we do here?"
Now, as for religion, some of them suck. And in some of the good one's, there are people in it who suck. They may be the hopeless or proud or snobbish or whatever. This can't be blamed on the religion. It's the people that suck. That doesn't mean the religion is wrong or that religion in essence is wrong. I'll get back to this point later...
I believe in Jesus. I believe he had long hair and drank alcohol. Cool. King Solomon reckoned nothing was better than to have a good meal with a good glass of wine in the company of good friends. These guys had their priorities straight.
It seems to me that you're pissing people off not by your lifestyle, but by refusing to acknowledge God and seeing old ideologies as negative influences. I see what you're driving at, but I think you're on completely the wrong track.
You're saying: a) you don't believe in God b) but if you did, you wouldn't find it necessary to honour Him. c) but if you did honour Him, you wouldn't follow any ideology in doing so.
Well you have no right to recommend b) or c) (in whatever order) since a) is prerequisite, and that is where you fall flat.
The reason you don't believe is that you see Him as an authority figure and you don't want that in your life, ya? And now you've convinced yourself that He's not there, and that changing your point of view is out of the question, so you've stopped searching, or if you do, only to bend it to your bias.
Not exactly scientific is it? Which makes it your opinion. Which doesn't make you wrong, true, but you can't sincerely claim to be right.
There is no point in you or I arguing about aliens. The matter will be settled when we either bump into one, or search the universe and find none.
The issue of God will be resolved when we die. It just so happens that I already believe. Are you seriously happy with the consequences of your beliefs, and perhaps taking innocent bystanders with you if you're wrong? If you are, then my time here is over, otherwise, I leave you with one last thing.
You CAN find God by intellect alone. You don't need the bible or tradition for that step. I would go so far as to say that the supposed leap of faith is no bigger than the knowledge that we've put a man on the moon. Same diffs.
Hope this at least bugged you a little, enough to give some kind of feedback and point out the flaws. I haven't read your sight cover to cover, but I'll be back in the future.How will "the issue of God be resolved when we die?" If we're dead, who's there to see anything resolved? And why would I want to find something I've never lost? The rest of your arguments are equally casuistic. And very mundane. I could easily start yacking at you about "Goddess," and how can you possible deny Her, etc., yadda, yadda. God is a cultural artifact.
To: "From Sex to Superconsciousness"
Subject: FW: Forced conversion and brainwashing
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:05:24 -0700
I have been "lurking" for only a few days. Would like to add first my profound thanks to Acharya S. You are NOT wasting your time! I have read most of the site, having just found it a couple of weeks ago. I couldn't agree more. The thought I would toss into the mix is: Along with the powerful Political forces forcing these "religions" upon us are other forces from some other dimensions. My own background is Catholic/Mormon and a bunch of other crap thrown in. My conversion to Mormonism as a teen was the most profound experience of my life. I am convinced to this day, 35+ years later that I received strong communication from a being separate from my own ego identity. In the last year I got interested in it again and gave it another fairly in depth study. I think Joseph Smith was another victim of powers greater than himself. I think he told the truth about his experiences. Some peoples brains seem to be wired in a way that makes them more susceptible to the influence of these monsters (call them angels or extraterrestrials, still monsters). Admittedly my Catholic upbringing promoted mysticism and a LOT of fear. The most rational estimate of our situation that I have yet been able to reach is this: Our entire arena of existence is like an obstacle course through evil powers, embodied and disembodied. The benevolent influences are few and far between, the evil ones are everywhere and can read our every thought. The freedom of discussion we have on the internet is the first light of hope that has dawned on this planet in a long time; but we are still at great risk, especially any one of us taking a leading role. Remember Princess Diana, John Lennon, and many others. We can do it though. What they fear most is the courageous use of rational thought, discussion, education of our children.
To: Acharya S
Subject: Re: Astrological error
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:39:38 GMT
I was surprised to get this email from you, pleasantly surprised... Your book IS excellent, hence the 5 stars [at Amazon It IS the key to escaping the Christian/biblical prisons. I didn't expect you to change the book (far too expensive unless a reprint comes up), I only wanted you to be aware of the error... I bet you do get lots of mail from biblical nuts. The jailers and their prison trustees, so to say, don't want to hear the truths you have in the book. I wish you MUCH success with it. No one can say that you didn't try to assist the world on this matter. Now it's up to the reader to decide. Best regards,
Subject: FWD: (no subject)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:06:28 -0800
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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 7:24 AM
Well, try Josephus and the Talmud for starters on other sources for Christ they are not always very nice but they are there. He used the simple things of the world to confound the wise. That's why you don't get it. You don't seem to see the main differences in our religion. In Christianity the God loves His people and tells them what he expects of them God is good and man is sinful. In the other religions the god or gods are capricious and usually sinful and man is basically good. Did you know Buddha never claimed godhood? His followers bestowed it upon him later. Jesus did claim godhood. Anyway, your knee will bow, your tongue will confess and I'm not worried about it.
Thanks for your reply. In regard to the Talmud, it refers to a person by the name of Jesus ben Pandera. Please note that this story in the Talmud is dated to about 102 years b.c. It refers to a person named Jesus who was a magician who came out of Egypt, was the son of a Roman soldier, etc. The name Jesus, or actually Jehoshua or Yeshua was a very common name, much like Joshua and could refer to any number of thousands of messiah wannabes. Also note that Jewish material lists several other Jesuses, so, no, the Talmud reference you use it not valid. For more on this, read any book by Gerald Massey... As for Flavius Josephus, I have a copy of his entire works within arms reach. Do you? Josephus was a Jewish historian who would have certainly devoted his entire works to the Christ, if he really believed Jesus to be the Christ. Bishop Warburton of Gloucester (1698-1779) labeled the interpolation in Josephus concerning Jesus as "a rank forgery and a stupid one too." This reference in Josephus has been attributed by more knowledgeable scholars than you or I to Bishop Eusebius in the fourth century. Even the Catholic Encyclopedia admits that this "Jesus" reference was unknown to Origen and other early writers. Sorry, try again... Did you know that there have been several Buddhas, not just one? Do you know anything about Chinese Dispensationism? Actually, many ancient "gods" were quite benevolent to their people, bestowing life, fertility, motherhood, sunshine, rain and all good things.
Actually, if Jesus existed, the only reason he "used the simple things of the world to confound the wise" would be because he would have been a teacher of the mysteries, and these people didn't want the uninitiated to understand the deeper mysteries. I don't know if you've spent any time reading in depth the sites I've provided, but you really owe it to yourself and to a real pursuit of the truth to do so. Do you know anything about the Eleusinian mysteries? If not, why not? I'm afraid you're speaking to the wrong man on this subject, not because my heart has been hardened, but because my mind has been opened. "Anyway, your knee will bow, your tongue will confess and I'm not worried about it." Is this the same kind of knee bowing and tongue wagging a slave gives to his Lord and Master? If that's the case, you can keep it. If you really value what you believe and think it to be the truth, put it to the test. Read LOTS of material which runs counter to your current point of view and perhaps you'll have a better-balanced picture of the Truth. Peace and Enlightenment
To: "From Sex to Superconsciousness"
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:38:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: just my thoughts
...I went to my favorite (amazon.com), and while I was there decided to see what kind of posts "The Christ Con" was getting. I started to order another book since mind is currently lent out to a coworker. I will probably have to buy 2 or 3 more just to keep one in the house (smiles).
There are such fools/uneducated masses, and many of whom are going to pray for Acharya!!!!! You're a better woman then I, because I would probably answer them back with a Big Fu*k Off message that would make them run to the nearest church to pray again for my soul (Or whatever).
I haven't seen any post about astrology or ancestors (deceased family members, aliens, whatever) that have an influence on our life path. Soo, what are your thoughts in these areas?
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:18:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Face To Face With Jesus Christ a New Book Release and True Story
To: Acharya S
I am so sorry for you, Sir, that you must have wasted your many years researching this stuff. I had no reason to believe in Jesus Christ when I met him in person, as I was a deep Buddhist practitioner. So my experience is not based in "belief," rather in truth. Jesus does exist and always did exist. He is not a mythical character. There must have been many deviant ancients who created the path in literature to try and create this illusion you followed just to produce the desired future effect: that Jesu was a mythical character. I can tell you from experience, that Jesus is the Supreme Being who has always been creating this universe. He/She is not finished yet.
Hoo boy. Hopeless.